Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nalod Why did you put up this thread? It's like candy land for D7th and TK LOL.
My take is this, there was not any team in the NBA who would not give Melo 20 million if they had to give and Melo wanted to come to them. I think that Phil knows how to build around Melo and Melo and the Knicks will be ok. Enough of this hate sh!t. If you don't like the man find another team. It not healthy to have all of this hate in your heart. I mean 24/7 when do they work? This is Phils dream and he knows that if he wins a chip here in New York they will build a statue of him and Melo.

Yes, "Hate Metric" makes it spicy and mucho Sexy!

Its a hack job for sure and "Putting out the fire with Gasoline".........

I posted it cuz, I posted it.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It seems to me that Paul George is not a good roll model. Making babies, screwing his centers girl friend. That child support is going to weigh heavy on him this season. His girlfriend broke up with him. Now for Melo his 1.29 pp is going to get better and he respects woman and his friends woman.

we talking role model now? i thought this thread was about value. paul george is going to earn 13.7 million this season-- that's for a two-way player who elevates his game in the playoffs, as compared to our one-way player who is going to make 22 million plus, whose game goes bye-bye in the playoffs.

if you were being honest, you would prefer paul george as a knick over carmelo....

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It seems to me that Paul George is not a good roll model. Making babies, screwing his centers girl friend. That child support is going to weigh heavy on him this season. His girlfriend broke up with him. Now for Melo his 1.29 pp is going to get better and he respects woman and his friends woman.

we talking role model now? i thought this thread was about value. paul george is going to earn 13.7 million this season-- that's for a two-way player who elevates his game in the playoffs, as compared to our one-way player who is going to make 22 million plus, whose game goes bye-bye in the playoffs.

if you were being honest, you would prefer paul george as a knick over carmelo....

If you're being fair, you compare their context values at the same point in their careers- the reason Melo's is so high is because it's his 3rd max contract and his first two started in the old cba. It's still too much, but it's pointless comparing it to a player who's just signed their first max unless your plan is only to sign top players for 3 or 4 years then let them walk.

Jmpasq wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It seems to me that Paul George is not a good roll model. Making babies, screwing his centers girl friend. That child support is going to weigh heavy on him this season. His girlfriend broke up with him. Now for Melo his 1.29 pp is going to get better and he respects woman and his friends woman.

we talking role model now? i thought this thread was about value. paul george is going to earn 13.7 million this season-- that's for a two-way player who elevates his game in the playoffs, as compared to our one-way player who is going to make 22 million plus, whose game goes bye-bye in the playoffs.

if you were being honest, you would prefer paul george as a knick over carmelo....

Its all about per dollar value. even if you think Melo is better than George is he 9 million dollars better?

Bosh, Parsons, Melo, Hayward... if your elite talent in this league your getting paid, regardless of fans "percieved" value. Bledsoe and Stephenson think they are max guys.. or will be soon.

So now we are wanking over Paul George again?

If the money NBA players make offends my advice would be to watch college or get over yourself. Its not going away.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Last year there metrics predicted 37 wins

We won 37 games

and those were off by 20+ wins for about half the other teams. So yea.. they got the KNicks right and were so far off on many of the others whats the point? They were nowhere close the year before either.

Go show me the start of year win totaly predictions. Its a good laugh.

Guns.. whats your issue? You cant believe Phil knows what he's doing unless ESPN says he does?

ESPN's system was off by an average of 6.8 wins. Don't forget most fans here were off by about 10 to 20 wins for the Knicks last season.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Last year there metrics predicted 37 wins

We won 37 games

and those were off by 20+ wins for about half the other teams. So yea.. they got the KNicks right and were so far off on many of the others whats the point? They were nowhere close the year before either.

Go show me the start of year win totaly predictions. Its a good laugh.

Guns.. whats your issue? You cant believe Phil knows what he's doing unless ESPN says he does?

ESPN's system was off by an average of 6.8 wins. Don't forget most fans here were off by about 10 to 20 wins for the Knicks last season.

Yeah but posters here are fans of the Knicks and optimistic. My projections for say the Nets or Wizards would be a lot more accurate just because emotion is taken out of it.

You sure about that? The alternative way of looking at it is that fans here had the whole off-season to study one team. Imagine how bad they'd be if they hate to focus on 30 teams!
Regardless, though, your statement suggests that fans should use the metrics rather than their own biases when evaluating anything about their own teams (like Melo's contract).

If targeting metrics and a formulated system to reach more accurate numbers is the goal, emotions should never factor in.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Last year there metrics predicted 37 wins

We won 37 games

and those were off by 20+ wins for about half the other teams. So yea.. they got the KNicks right and were so far off on many of the others whats the point? They were nowhere close the year before either.

Go show me the start of year win totaly predictions. Its a good laugh.

Guns.. whats your issue? You cant believe Phil knows what he's doing unless ESPN says he does?

ESPN's system was off by an average of 6.8 wins. Don't forget most fans here were off by about 10 to 20 wins for the Knicks last season.

Yeah but posters here are fans of the Knicks and optimistic. My projections for say the Nets or Wizards would be a lot more accurate just because emotion is taken out of it.

Being an veteran at sports wagering if I were to bet on the Knick win total I would put the over/under at 45 wins. Thats about right

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Last year there metrics predicted 37 wins

We won 37 games

and those were off by 20+ wins for about half the other teams. So yea.. they got the KNicks right and were so far off on many of the others whats the point? They were nowhere close the year before either.

Go show me the start of year win totaly predictions. Its a good laugh.

Guns.. whats your issue? You cant believe Phil knows what he's doing unless ESPN says he does?

ESPN's system was off by an average of 6.8 wins. Don't forget most fans here were off by about 10 to 20 wins for the Knicks last season.

Yeah but posters here are fans of the Knicks and optimistic. My projections for say the Nets or Wizards would be a lot more accurate just because emotion is taken out of it.

being off by 7 wins doesnt mean much. I mean that average is padded because its not hard to come close on the elite teams. But when it comes to the middle of the pack they are all over the place. Bonn your prediction was off considerably as well. If you think this stuff is predictable it simply isnt. There are so many factors that can have a huge impact, and other things that should have a huge impact and end up being non factors. We could do this all day.

Being an veteran at sports wagering if I were to bet on the Knick win total I would put the over/under at 45 wins. Thats about right

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Last year there metrics predicted 37 wins

We won 37 games

and those were off by 20+ wins for about half the other teams. So yea.. they got the KNicks right and were so far off on many of the others whats the point? They were nowhere close the year before either.

Go show me the start of year win totaly predictions. Its a good laugh.

Guns.. whats your issue? You cant believe Phil knows what he's doing unless ESPN says he does?

ESPN's system was off by an average of 6.8 wins. Don't forget most fans here were off by about 10 to 20 wins for the Knicks last season.

Yeah but posters here are fans of the Knicks and optimistic. My projections for say the Nets or Wizards would be a lot more accurate just because emotion is taken out of it.

being off by 7 wins doesnt mean much. I mean that average is padded because its not hard to come close on the elite teams. But when it comes to the middle of the pack they are all over the place. Bonn your prediction was off considerably as well. If you think this stuff is predictable it simply isnt. There are so many factors that can have a huge impact, and other things that should have a huge impact and end up being non factors. We could do this all day.

Being an veteran at sports wagering if I were to bet on the Knick win total I would put the over/under at 45 wins. Thats about right

Why 45? Weren't you saying Melo's teams usually win 55 when he has an adequate PG and supporting cast?

never said that. Has he ever won 55? I might have said "winning." Last year was Melo's first losing season in the NBA.

Why 45? Because the Knicks will get better. They will be better coached and have done alot to fix the issues from last year. That being said who knows what you get from Amare, Bargs, Shump or JR. I think JR gives you good play but there are a lot of guys you just dont know what your going to get. I like the direction of the team very much but they are still essentially Melo, JR, Calderon and some bigs and fresh legs. They could suprise and win 50+. They could struggle and be .500 so I picked something in between.

You never know for sure what will happen but I think there is much less uncertainty than you're suggesting. For example, "who knows what you get from Amare, Bargs, Shump or JR."
Amare - Lots of injuries. If he does stay healthy, he'll put up points but give more more than he scores.
Bargs - See Amare.
Shump - It's harder to predict this for younger guys but I'd say the most likely scenario is bad offense and average defense.
JR - the overall production of an average NBA player (plus or minus a little). He'll probably have a high PPG total, though, especially if he plays a lot.