EnySpree wrote:All of our shooting guards are inconsistent and unreliable.

When Jr is in his game, he's an all star.
When thjr is on his game he looks like a legit starting caliber NBA shooting guard.
When shump is on his game he is a role player off the bench.

When Jr is off his game, he's still a solid starter, first guard off the bench guy.
When thjr is off his game, he's still a deadly 3pt sniper.
When shump is off his game, he's a D league player.

fishmike wrote:Dantay Jones is a nice defender on the wing. Not much else and he didnt play last year. That being said a guy like THjr could learn a lot by seeing his minutes taken by a who adds little besides defense and rebounding

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All of our shooting guards are inconsistent and unreliable.

When Jr is in his game, he's an all star.
When thjr is on his game he looks like a legit starting caliber NBA shooting guard.
When shump is on his game he is a role player off the bench.

When Jr is off his game, he's still a solid starter, first guard off the bench guy.
When thjr is off his game, he's still a deadly 3pt sniper.
When shump is off his game, he's a D league player.

This. Great post.

THJ is a sniper, when he's off his game, he's useless, what else does he do.

When Jr is off his game,he's un tying shoe laces, head butting rondo, and shooting more jumpers, then when he's on.

when shump is off his game, he will still get You a couple steals, and decent defense.

But honestly, they're all D leaguers when there off their game

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All signs points to Shump being traded.....I keep saying it. He's the easiest to move. We have shooting guards here that can do what he does.

What shooting guards do we have that can do what Shump does?? When Shump is focused like he was when Phil came on he's one of the best defensive players in the league. I understand that he's been inconsistent with his play especially his offense but with this new culture that we're building with Phil and Fish i truly think Shump can be one hell of an asset. If i had my choice i would do what i could to trade JR even though i think he's actually worth more than he's getting paid.

What does Shump do? His defense is overrated and when he's focused he's still only a marginal rule player. When JR is focused he's all star caliber.

Wellington can do what shump does easy. So can Shannon Brown. Hit shots, blend in and play defense. That's their jobs. Shump isn't the difference maker in any aspect of the game and he's not head and shoulders better than these two.

There are people around the league that believe in the bull**** that shump is this defensive stalwart with untapped potential, so he can be moved easily. We need to get better. We have ThJr, Jr Smith and the option to keep wellington or Shannon....

See if we can get dunlevy, Matt barnes, delphino, or someone who can pass, cut, make shots and defend, flat out play the small fwd spot. Having a shooting guard with point guard skills playing small fwd isn't winning basketball

Are some are stuck on his playoff series against Boston and his tip in against the Spurs?

I don't get it Shumpert is very much overrated, we need to get past these kind of sentimental moments

Overrated by who? I don't think anyone is putting shump over the top, but lets be honest, what kind of a stock do any of these players have currently.

Larkin got very little run, he's a throw in for any trade.

Shump is also a throw in, your not going to get any value for him.

Jr save face at the end of the season, but he has a player option, and a suspect personality, too risky, you'll have to sell him low.

So basically you have 3 guys who you have to sell very low in order to get back some marginal back up sf.

If im packaging any 2 those guys (which would be the only way you would get good value) I would hope to get a player of gallo's caliber as a back up SF.

Right now it looks like the knicks aren't going to make any silly ass lateral Isiah thomas trade, I trust phil knows what the hell he's doing.

I've heard some wild upside comparisons since he's been a Knick.

Overrated in the sense every time his name in mentioned in a trade

It's either met with no we can't give up on him yet or we get overly demanding what to expect back.

We won't miss a beat without Shumpert, we have other guys on this team who can get things done from different angles and places on the court

Listen this guy is more interested in doing rap covers, dating Hip-Hop industry chicks, talking a big game//// instead of truly working on his game.

He's been way past trade bait, please erase him before it's too late

smackeddog wrote:The reason Shump hasn't improved may because he tore his ACL and hasn't had a summer to work on his game some he entered the league- ridiculous to give up on him this early, especially as he showed an improved 3pt shot in his second year.

Like last summer when he was asked to play point in SL to see if it could help expand his game/the team and he aborted this mission as soon as possible?

Started over half the season last year, like a baby who pooped the diaper

Where has he been this summer?

This is exactly what I'm referring to by overrating////in a round about way making excuses as if this guy is on the cusp of something spectacular

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The reason Shump hasn't improved may because he tore his ACL and hasn't had a summer to work on his game some he entered the league- ridiculous to give up on him this early, especially as he showed an improved 3pt shot in his second year.

Like last summer when he was asked to play point in SL to see if it could help expand his game/the team and he aborted this mission as soon as possible?

Started over half the season last year, like a baby who pooped the diaper

Where has he been this summer?

This is exactly what I'm referring to by overrating////in a round about way making excuses as if this guy is on the cusp of something spectacular

I think many actually underrated him when we drafted him, and when he showed some flashes in his rookie year some started to overrate him, simply because he exceeded low expectations.

Frustrating to watch him play at times. Can look great, and then play like he started playing the game when he was 19.

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The reason Shump hasn't improved may because he tore his ACL and hasn't had a summer to work on his game some he entered the league- ridiculous to give up on him this early, especially as he showed an improved 3pt shot in his second year.

Like last summer when he was asked to play point in SL to see if it could help expand his game/the team and he aborted this mission as soon as possible?

Started over half the season last year, like a baby who pooped the diaper

Where has he been this summer?

This is exactly what I'm referring to by overrating////in a round about way making excuses as if this guy is on the cusp of something spectacular

nixluva wrote:I still think Shump is gonna have a breakout season. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that he can improve. He's had a very rocky time in NY in terms of him being able to develop. Injury, coaching changes and poor coaching in general have stunted his growth. It's entirely possible that he could be really good in this system. In the end one of these guys has to go. I just don't think it's good to assume Shump is already peaked out and won't get better. It took Ariza time to develop but he did get better. In the end this team will be just fine with one less guard so its not the end of the world.

I'd we end up keeping him that's fine. I still don't like him as a player. He got me choosing Jr Smith over him lol.

It's true he could still turn it around, but like you just said, someone has to go. Shump has the most trade value based on the myth that he plays defense.

Shump for Dunlevy!

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The reason Shump hasn't improved may because he tore his ACL and hasn't had a summer to work on his game some he entered the league- ridiculous to give up on him this early, especially as he showed an improved 3pt shot in his second year.

Like last summer when he was asked to play point in SL to see if it could help expand his game/the team and he aborted this mission as soon as possible?

Started over half the season last year, like a baby who pooped the diaper

Where has he been this summer?

This is exactly what I'm referring to by overrating////in a round about way making excuses as if this guy is on the cusp of something spectacular

he had surgery after that single summer league game, so he likely was injured. this offseason he's been doing two a days and playing in various pick up games. how exactly was he supposed to work on his game last summer while recovering from knee surgery? or the summer before when he was recovering from an ACL? yep people overrate our rookies, then they turn on them quick and give up on them after the second season- then they end up becoming productive players for other teams.

he sucked last season- came to camp out of shape (recovering from surgery) then stuff messed with his head (feud with Woody, trade rumours, losing, etc). He was good in last years playoffs- really raised his game, so I think he has potential.