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fishmike
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7/18/2014  1:35 PM
Ellington really is Steve Kerr. He's a guy you put on the floor to hit a 3. Then get him off the floor as fast as possible. Maybe he proves me otherwise.
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7/18/2014  1:43 PM
Rookie wrote:
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Rookie wrote:The thing is, Early is the oldest of the 3 you mention and the further behind. Then you have Tyler who is also 23 (same as Early) and is also behind in development. Early will have his rookie season to catch up, but time is running out on Tyler. Ellington is 26, have to wonder how many 'projects' the Knicks can carry on the roster

Ellington was a trade throw-in, why do people keep bringing him up? He's our 4th string sg!

Because he is on our team?

That came out wrong, I meant why are people talking about him as the future of this team or like he's some prospect. He's a 5 year vet with a very hohum track record in the nba, don't really think he's very relevant to our success and I doubt he gets more than 5-8 minutes a night unless there's an injury.
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7/18/2014  1:52 PM
I highly doubt Ellington is on the roster on opening day.
He is likely being kept as filler for a future trade...
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7/18/2014  1:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2014  2:02 PM
Dagger wrote:
Rookie wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Rookie wrote:The thing is, Early is the oldest of the 3 you mention and the further behind. Then you have Tyler who is also 23 (same as Early) and is also behind in development. Early will have his rookie season to catch up, but time is running out on Tyler. Ellington is 26, have to wonder how many 'projects' the Knicks can carry on the roster

Ellington was a trade throw-in, why do people keep bringing him up? He's our 4th string sg!

Because he is on our team?

That came out wrong, I meant why are people talking about him as the future of this team or like he's some prospect. He's a 5 year vet with a very hohum track record in the nba, don't really think he's very relevant to our success and I doubt he gets more than 5-8 minutes a night unless there's an injury.

Totally get what you're saying. The reason I bring him up is because we are going to have a competition for the last couple of roster spots. He should get a chance to compete for a spot. I don't think he is a lock to stay on the team even though his contract is guaranteed. I am also watching to see if any of our Summer league's get a camp invite. The only one that has me interested to see more right now is the forward we just picked up, Wear. This off season has been very good with the quality youth we have and a coach/GM who is trying to develop younger talent rather then going the geriatric vet minimum route. I enjoy talking about young prospects more then I do potential FA signings, so Ellington is definitely in the discussion as far as I am concerned.
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7/18/2014  2:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2014  2:15 PM
Who's interested because I am?

If he clears waivers then Shane should be traded for whatever his value is



I like Kendall's size, patience, heady play at point and Phil likes bigger point guards who can shoot



Of course everyone looks good on Youtube when you post only their highlights. IMO he has a better Triangle profile
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7/18/2014  2:14 PM
F500ONE wrote:Who's interested because I am?

If he clears waivers then Shane should be traded for whatever his value is



I like Kendall's size, patience, heady play at point and Phil likes bigger point guards who can shoot



Of course everyone looks good on Youtube when you post only their highlights. IMO he's has a better Triangle profile

We have too many guards already. I don't think he is any better than what we have now. We need more bigs.
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7/18/2014  2:18 PM
F500ONE wrote:Who's interested because I am?

If he clears waivers then Shane should be traded for whatever his value is



I like Kendall's size, patience, heady play at point and Phil likes bigger point guards who can shoot



Of course everyone looks good on Youtube when you post only their highlights. IMO he has a better Triangle profile

He developed nicely under MDA last year. I watched their games and he has a strange offensive game, but he does in fact have skills that should work well in the Triangle. I can't say he was much of a defender, from what I can remember but I don't think he's terrible.
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7/18/2014  2:30 PM
Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?
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7/18/2014  2:32 PM
Bad timing in terms of all the guards with now have.

I would think LA might resign him, but the guy was not even making $1M ($915,000). Are they actually looking to sign him for less, or are they looking to sign him to a contract that allows them to keep him longer and not have to deal with him being a restricted FA next year?

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7/18/2014  2:52 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?

He's probably a better defender than Calderon and a better 3pt shooter than Larkin.

He averaged almost 9ast-game on a crappy Laker roster in under 30min-game, not sure what's the issue if he could be had

Larkin before we acquired him shot a poor % field goal, poor % three point, poor % free throw.

How much scoring do we need from a backup point guard in the Triangle? Who's going to take over for Calderon as he ages?
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7/18/2014  2:58 PM
F500ONE wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?

He's probably a better defender than Calderon and a better 3pt shooter than Larkin.

He averaged almost 9ast-game on a crappy Laker roster in under 30min-game, not sure what's the issue if he could be had

Larkin before we acquired him shot a poor % field goal, poor % three point, poor % free throw.

How much scoring do we need from a backup point guard in the Triangle? Who's going to take over for Calderon as he ages?

in terms of floor time Larkin is still essentially a rookie. Let him earn or lose the job. If he struggles early Prigs is an excellent backup
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7/18/2014  3:35 PM
F500ONE wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?

He's probably a better defender than Calderon and a better 3pt shooter than Larkin.

He averaged almost 9ast-game on a crappy Laker roster in under 30min-game, not sure what's the issue if he could be had

Larkin before we acquired him shot a poor % field goal, poor % three point, poor % free throw.

How much scoring do we need from a backup point guard in the Triangle? Who's going to take over for Calderon as he ages?

Felton avg. 9 assists for MDA. Not a good barometer.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/18/2014  3:45 PM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?

He's probably a better defender than Calderon and a better 3pt shooter than Larkin.

He averaged almost 9ast-game on a crappy Laker roster in under 30min-game, not sure what's the issue if he could be had

Larkin before we acquired him shot a poor % field goal, poor % three point, poor % free throw.

How much scoring do we need from a backup point guard in the Triangle? Who's going to take over for Calderon as he ages?

Felton avg. 9 assists for MDA. Not a good barometer.

For a near first yr player passing to the likes of Sacre and Shawne Willams, it's great for a backup role.
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7/18/2014  3:54 PM
Larkin as a college prospect came in with good shooting numbers. He has shown improvement. His Rookie NBA stats may not be the best way to look at him since he was injured in training camp and it was his rookie season.

Shane Larkin
Year	GP  GS  Min  Avg  FG  FGA  Pct  3FG  3A  3Pct  FT  FTA  Pct  Off  Def  Tot  Avg  PF  FO  A   TO  B  S  Pts  Avg
11-12	32  19  820  25.6 73  203  .360 32   99  .323  60  70   .857 18   62   80   2.5  52  1   81  60  2  50 238  7.4
12-13	36  35  1311 36.4 183 382  .479 69   170 .406  87  112  .777 17   121  138  3.8  59  0   164 82	 4  71 522  14.5

I'm not really worried about his shooting. I think he'll settle into better habits as he moves along in his career and adjusts to the NBA.
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7/18/2014  7:38 PM
fishmike wrote:Ellington really is Steve Kerr. He's a guy you put on the floor to hit a 3. Then get him off the floor as fast as possible. Maybe he proves me otherwise.

I think you get a 2nd string big man for him

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7/18/2014  7:39 PM
Compare Kendall Marshall to Darius Morris. Who do you guys prefer of those two?
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7/18/2014  7:41 PM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Marshall can't really shoot or defend so I would pass. He had nice 3pt numbers but other than that everything else was poor. He doesn't knock down Fts so how can you count on him late in games?

He's probably a better defender than Calderon and a better 3pt shooter than Larkin.

He averaged almost 9ast-game on a crappy Laker roster in under 30min-game, not sure what's the issue if he could be had

Larkin before we acquired him shot a poor % field goal, poor % three point, poor % free throw.

How much scoring do we need from a backup point guard in the Triangle? Who's going to take over for Calderon as he ages?

Felton avg. 9 assists for MDA. Not a good barometer.

I was thinking the same thing, pg's stats are on steroids when MDA's is coaching

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7/19/2014  12:39 AM
Finestrg wrote:Compare Kendall Marshall to Darius Morris. Who do you guys prefer of those two?

Kendall would fit the Triangle better because of his 3pt range. He has an awful shooting form, but he makes the shot when open.
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7/19/2014  2:25 AM
I've seen Laker fans say Kendall Marshall is worse than Nash on defense.
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7/19/2014  9:01 AM
Finestrg wrote:Compare Kendall Marshall to Darius Morris. Who do you guys prefer of those two?

I like both of those guys. Prior to the mavs trade I thought Phil would bring Morris in for at least a camp invite. I am not sold on Larkin but he may just need more court time. I think Morris and Mashall are starters in the right situation. I believe Kendall was a lottery pick.
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