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fishmike
Posts: 53040 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/24/2014 1:38 PM
azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
4/24/2014 1:39 PM
dk7th wrote:JS3 wrote:last season we weren't rebuilding, how is that worked for us? not much at all... if you are looking at building a contender.. I know it is not realistic to get rid of everyone, although I wish phil would try hard as hell.... but this team needs a new everything almost....we got rid of the coaching staff... great, and honestly maybe some of them were not bad at all,but a message had to be sent, well do the same with the players...get rid of all the influences on this team, from Carmelo down to JR smith.... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
4/24/2014 1:40 PM
dk7th wrote:JS3 wrote:last season we weren't rebuilding, how is that worked for us? I looked it up at BRef and in that year, Melo had a WS48 or 160 while Lin was at 140. Certainly nice to have a PG (Lin) at 140 when your starting PG (Felton) is at .042!! You are certainly right though about the poorly constructed roster though, especially with 2 of your main cogs being Amare and Felton. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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azamatbagatov
Posts: 20336 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2007 Member: #1713 |
4/24/2014 2:15 PM
fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. That will be the dilemma. I trust Phil to see if we are good enough to make a run and keep those 3 guys (and/or possibly add to them) or to tell even though we have a good record, we won't/can't win a title as presently constructed. Then start moving any of them out for assets (picks and young players). "I want to leave a legacy." ~ Isiah Thomas
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fishmike
Posts: 53040 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/24/2014 2:21 PM
azamatbagatov wrote:agree... and this is why eyeballs and hearts will always trump metrics or anything else. Those are the calls you pay Phil the king's ransom to make. Tough ones...fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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azamatbagatov
Posts: 20336 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2007 Member: #1713 |
4/24/2014 3:20 PM
fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:agree... and this is why eyeballs and hearts will always trump metrics or anything else. Those are the calls you pay Phil the king's ransom to make. Tough ones...fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. I believe there is room for both when it comes to player valuation. Metrics\Advanced stats are a tool, one of many (Metrics, Old fashioned scouting, etc) that should be at our disposal. I wouldn't want our front office to rely on any one method 100% of the time. I agree that we are paying Phil a ton of money to use his experince of being around and part of championship teams to influence our team's decisions going forward. I am sure there will be decisions he will make from his "gut" and I am ok with that. "I want to leave a legacy." ~ Isiah Thomas
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
4/24/2014 3:22 PM LAST EDITED: 4/24/2014 3:23 PM
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:JS3 wrote:last season we weren't rebuilding, how is that worked for us? Felton wasn't on the team that year but Toney Douglas, Iman Shumpert, Mike Bibby, and Baron Davis was. So you can't use Felton as an excuse for your agenda. The knicks had all those talented pgs to work with so ha. Where will you find fault with those players. See now that Felton is out of rhe equation you are lost. You can't tell me Douglas, Bibby, Shump, and Davis don't scare people.
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
4/24/2014 3:33 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:JS3 wrote:last season we weren't rebuilding, how is that worked for us? Douglass, Felton ... same sh1t You had to bring up bad memories? BD who has always been awful yet many posters were in love with him (for no good reason) could not even get the ball up the court in Miami. That is how bad he was. What a disaster. And 90 y/o bibby. He WAS a great shooter (in sacramento). His WS48 was at least not negative (061 - YAY!!). Than people actually wonder why/how Melo played well with a player of CB's caliber and efficiency. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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fishmike
Posts: 53040 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/24/2014 3:35 PM
azamatbagatov wrote:what would you say Phil's #1 skill is? Its getting talented people with huge egos to work together. You can say he had Shaq/Kobe and they were 2/5 of the top five NBA players for sure, but they also hated each other. Phil's here to get a currently expensive roster to play well together. Then he's here to keep future expensive rosters to play together.fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:agree... and this is why eyeballs and hearts will always trump metrics or anything else. Those are the calls you pay Phil the king's ransom to make. Tough ones...fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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azamatbagatov
Posts: 20336 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2007 Member: #1713 |
4/24/2014 4:40 PM
fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:what would you say Phil's #1 skill is? Its getting talented people with huge egos to work together. You can say he had Shaq/Kobe and they were 2/5 of the top five NBA players for sure, but they also hated each other. Phil's here to get a currently expensive roster to play well together. Then he's here to keep future expensive rosters to play together.fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:agree... and this is why eyeballs and hearts will always trump metrics or anything else. Those are the calls you pay Phil the king's ransom to make. Tough ones...fishmike wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:certainly agree with that. Its a catch 22... get Amare/Chandler/Bargs playing good ball they will have value at the deadline. If they are playing well are you willing to take a step back for the future? Is Phil? Time will tell... but tearing it down doesnt seem remotely plausable, certainly not without picksfishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/players-trashed-woodson-in-exit-interviews-jackson/“One of the messages from the players was that it was a very talented team,’’ Jackson said. “They had to have a lot of games where they forced their talent on opposing teams rather than playing with freedom to make things easy. All the wins were hard to get. They were winning with talent and not with team play, which I thought was an accurate statement. I agree with that; but that is his #1 skill while on the bench. We will be learning what his top skills from the board room are as we go. Should be an interesting off-season. Can't wait for it to start "I want to leave a legacy." ~ Isiah Thomas
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
4/24/2014 4:45 PM
Things panned out pretty well for Riley in the front office
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