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The More Things Change, The More Dolan Stays The Same
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gunsnewing
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4/23/2014  4:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2014  4:55 PM
Broussard makes a good point. Phil doesn't have his front office guys like say a Donnie Walsh. If mills, warkentien & H20 are kept it really isn't that big a deal. Herb is because the coaching staff should consist of Phil's guys. Guys Phil trust to coach and instill his philosophies
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4/23/2014  4:53 PM
Mills and H2O have some exec experience and org knowledge that will be helpful to Phil. IMO people need to relax on the negative predictions. This is in fact a new day. We need to let PJax do his thing. Before long Mills n H2O will be indoctrinated into the Zen Masters tribe.
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4/23/2014  7:03 PM
nixluva wrote:Mills and H2O have some exec experience and org knowledge that will be helpful to Phil. IMO people need to relax on the negative predictions. This is in fact a new day. We need to let PJax do his thing. Before long Mills n H2O will be indoctrinated into the Zen Masters tribe.

not if they are incompetent

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/23/2014  7:20 PM
Mills yes but we dont know about H20. He was under Donnie's wings for a while. Mills has no day to day gm experience whats so ever and should go back to the business side
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4/23/2014  7:23 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:Mills and H2O have some exec experience and org knowledge that will be helpful to Phil. IMO people need to relax on the negative predictions. This is in fact a new day. We need to let PJax do his thing. Before long Mills n H2O will be indoctrinated into the Zen Masters tribe.

not if they are incompetent


No one has ever suggested that Mills or H2O are incompetent. We do know that Mills has a lot of NBA contacts and he can be a good liaison for Phil doing that phone work. H2O is still in training to be a future GM and from what i've heard and seen he's a good man with a good intellect. The Knicks actually do have some good execs but they never had a real BB man that has a winning philosophy and knows how to get it done and bring a franchise together. Now we have that top man who can bring focus to this operation. No need to try and sow doubt about that fact. There are no guarantees but we could hardly do better than having PJax leading this franchise right now and guys like Mills and H2O learning from him.
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4/23/2014  8:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:Mills and H2O have some exec experience and org knowledge that will be helpful to Phil. IMO people need to relax on the negative predictions. This is in fact a new day. We need to let PJax do his thing. Before long Mills n H2O will be indoctrinated into the Zen Masters tribe.

not if they are incompetent


No one has ever suggested that Mills or H2O are incompetent. We do know that Mills has a lot of NBA contacts and he can be a good liaison for Phil doing that phone work. H2O is still in training to be a future GM and from what i've heard and seen he's a good man with a good intellect. The Knicks actually do have some good execs but they never had a real BB man that has a winning philosophy and knows how to get it done and bring a franchise together. Now we have that top man who can bring focus to this operation. No need to try and sow doubt about that fact. There are no guarantees but we could hardly do better than having PJax leading this franchise right now and guys like Mills and H2O learning from him.

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I will give Phil 2 years and he is gone. Dolan is still in control. He writes the checks.

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4/23/2014  8:15 PM
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:Mills and H2O have some exec experience and org knowledge that will be helpful to Phil. IMO people need to relax on the negative predictions. This is in fact a new day. We need to let PJax do his thing. Before long Mills n H2O will be indoctrinated into the Zen Masters tribe.

not if they are incompetent


No one has ever suggested that Mills or H2O are incompetent. We do know that Mills has a lot of NBA contacts and he can be a good liaison for Phil doing that phone work. H2O is still in training to be a future GM and from what i've heard and seen he's a good man with a good intellect. The Knicks actually do have some good execs but they never had a real BB man that has a winning philosophy and knows how to get it done and bring a franchise together. Now we have that top man who can bring focus to this operation. No need to try and sow doubt about that fact. There are no guarantees but we could hardly do better than having PJax leading this franchise right now and guys like Mills and H2O learning from him.

maybe "incompetent" is too soft a term here, let alone accurate. lets put it this way-- i think people with CAA representation are going to have a problem keeping their names on the door-- curricula vitae and toeing the jackson line will be prerequisites for employment. i have zero interest in either remaining with the organization. they are guilty until proven innocent given that they are here because of dolan. jackson's autonomy translates to "i am going to obliterate everything that has your fingerprint and stink on it."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/24/2014  9:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2014  9:08 AM
Anything Less Is Window Dressing

But does anybody in his or her right mind think that Jackson, who is putting his name and his brand and his personal history on the line to this extent, would choose Steve Mills to be general manager of the Knicks if given real freedom to choose? Would he keep Allan Houston in place as assistant general manager and Mark Warkentien around as director of player personnel?

- Mike Lupica (smallest hand The Answer Man ever shook)

Change the front office redundancy and you change the New York Knicks

Forget playing amateur general manager. The governance of The NEW York Knicks is the core issue. If Phil Jackson is not allowed to restructure, the decision process will remain clumsy, instead of efficient and effective. The chaos will continue until the end of time.

Fix the front office. Fix it.

once a knick always a knick
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4/24/2014  10:02 AM
"I never liked Herb even when he was playing."

Get outta here! Come on, show some respect. Herb was playing basketball back when NY was Dutch. Herb was The Most Interesting Man in the World back before The Most Interesting Man in the World even heard of basketball.

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4/24/2014  11:23 AM
misterearl wrote:Mission Statement

jrodmc wrote:Someone tell me again about how patient rebuilding can be done at NY Knicks.

jrodmc - this ain't no rebuild. This is a corporate restructuring.

Only after Uncle Phil gets the suits re-organized to his preferences, can any conversation about roster construction begin. Rebuild? Not yet homeskillet.

The front office is the place to start. Anyone who misses this core truth is simply interested in a superficial flipping of baseball cards. That is not how you build a championship franchise. We still have Glen Grunwald hanging around. What sense does that make?

Where does change start?

Change starts at the top.

Voting Jimmie off the island only works on TV and espn.com.

Do you really think H20, Mills and Grunwald were doing anything but bobbleheading during PJax's Woody & Co. pink slip decision meeting(s)? PJax may have little to no executive exposure, but H20? Mills? And a fired GM who has a history of hiding in closets?

Phil is an erudite fella; he just might possibly read a little (very little) of the same tripe we read. And lots of stuff we can't.

The top is still the top.
Please, keep your head up when you speak about Jimmie, Phil!

The More Things Change, The More Dolan Stays The Same

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