knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

toad wrote:He said the same thing about D'Antoni when he was here. So, either Amar'e is an idiot that talks out of his butt or this group is full of dummies with bad attitudes. I'd believe either at this point.

I like amare, but you are correct.. I think these dudes, amare, carmelo, chandler all talk out of their butts.. when the mutiny went on with dantoni, there was all of this cryptic talk by amare about guys not buying in.. honestly I think carmelo sabotaged dantoni and the team, and he did it again this year... this year, i don't think he was alone, but this IMO is a major problem... this team is full of morons...

as one of the leaders of this team, amare should have spoken out, more directly, saying all of this at years end is a joke!!!

If Amare was true leader here, he should start showing it with just a tad bit of defense and maybe 2-3 games where he can bag more that 1 assists especially if he complains about ball movement. Don't ya think?

This guy is an all time tool.

This post is a straight hate post, if you disagree with him that means your defending woodsons switching, horrible horrible PNR defense, his use of melo, and it idiotic rotations.

If your saying that he should be the last one to voice his dislikes about the coach, he is. There was only 3 players on this roster that had not said anything negative about the coach (really 2 because melo was seen telling his coach to SHUT THE FCK UP in a huddle) JR, and Felton.

It's been documented that Melo, and Amare were not big believers in all those damn ISO's, but you have to do what the coach calls, or atleast TRY.

Melos dislike of a MDA's system, and Amare's testament about guys not not buying in to the coach, that just confirms that if your key guys aren't buying in to what your saying as a coach, YOUR TOAST!!

The coach sucks! But Amare having another episode of diarrhea mouth is making many here sick.

Mr Salbatross should just shut up and take his free money.

He talks about ball movement yet he has one of the worst Usage : Assist ratio's of all time (THE GUY WON'T/DOESN'T PASS THE DAMN BALL).

And, is it the switching defensive scheme that's the problem for Amare or is it ANY SCHEMe that confuses him?

He has become a buffoon of a cartoon.

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

Haha.. you boys are gonna have a tough off season

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

So I guess the first huge mistake was to bring the most lopsided one way player in the NBA, right?

I just want to make sure that I understand that you and TKF are very fart apart on Amare.

TKF likes him and what he brought here, and you DK hate non two way players/non defensive players, correct?

yes i hate one way players, but i would have settled for a decidedly positive-sum player. amare managed to be that when a quality orchestrator was his teammate. that did not happen in new york. felton is not that guy and it's not even close.

i also want to point out that acquiring stoudemire as a free agent was a necessity brought about by extenuating circumstances. after two years of roster flush and knowing we would endure two losing seasons before seeing daylight, we nonetheless managed to get to 28-26 before being blown to bits.

with the melo fiasco-- another one way player and much closer to zero-sum than people want to acknowledge-- that was a choice and not even close to necessity.

apples to apples please.

Excuses and more of them ... and lots of flip flopping

Square peg in round whole.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

So I guess the first huge mistake was to bring the most lopsided one way player in the NBA, right?

I just want to make sure that I understand that you and TKF are very fart apart on Amare.

TKF likes him and what he brought here, and you DK hate non two way players/non defensive players, correct?

yes i hate one way players, but i would have settled for a decidedly positive-sum player. amare managed to be that when a quality orchestrator was his teammate. that did not happen in new york. felton is not that guy and it's not even close.

i also want to point out that acquiring stoudemire as a free agent was a necessity brought about by extenuating circumstances. after two years of roster flush and knowing we would endure two losing seasons before seeing daylight, we nonetheless managed to get to 28-26 before being blown to bits.

with the melo fiasco-- another one way player and much closer to zero-sum than people want to acknowledge-- that was a choice and not even close to necessity.

apples to apples please.

Excuses and more of them ... and lots of flip flopping

Square peg in round whole.

how is he flip flopping. He made that point clear for a long time now...

you tend to misrepresent what people say just to hear yourself argue..

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

So I guess the first huge mistake was to bring the most lopsided one way player in the NBA, right?

I just want to make sure that I understand that you and TKF are very fart apart on Amare.

TKF likes him and what he brought here, and you DK hate non two way players/non defensive players, correct?

yes i hate one way players, but i would have settled for a decidedly positive-sum player. amare managed to be that when a quality orchestrator was his teammate. that did not happen in new york. felton is not that guy and it's not even close.

i also want to point out that acquiring stoudemire as a free agent was a necessity brought about by extenuating circumstances. after two years of roster flush and knowing we would endure two losing seasons before seeing daylight, we nonetheless managed to get to 28-26 before being blown to bits.

with the melo fiasco-- another one way player and much closer to zero-sum than people want to acknowledge-- that was a choice and not even close to necessity.

apples to apples please.

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

So I guess the first huge mistake was to bring the most lopsided one way player in the NBA, right?

I just want to make sure that I understand that you and TKF are very fart apart on Amare.

TKF likes him and what he brought here, and you DK hate non two way players/non defensive players, correct?

yes i hate one way players, but i would have settled for a decidedly positive-sum player. amare managed to be that when a quality orchestrator was his teammate. that did not happen in new york. felton is not that guy and it's not even close.

i also want to point out that acquiring stoudemire as a free agent was a necessity brought about by extenuating circumstances. after two years of roster flush and knowing we would endure two losing seasons before seeing daylight, we nonetheless managed to get to 28-26 before being blown to bits.

with the melo fiasco-- another one way player and much closer to zero-sum than people want to acknowledge-- that was a choice and not even close to necessity.

apples to apples please.

Excuses and more of them ... and lots of flip flopping

Square peg in round whole.

how is he flip flopping. He made that point clear for a long time now...

you tend to misrepresent what people say just to hear yourself argue..

it was deeper than the surface, not sure you got there.

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.

can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.

So I guess the first huge mistake was to bring the most lopsided one way player in the NBA, right?

I just want to make sure that I understand that you and TKF are very fart apart on Amare.

TKF likes him and what he brought here, and you DK hate non two way players/non defensive players, correct?

why are you so concerened with what DK and I like about amare.. we like two way players.. amare has been a favorite of mine since he was in HS.. not exactly a two way player, but certainly one who early in his career showed some defensive potential. I also like players with work ethic, and amare is know as a hard worker.. he is also an electric player, or was in his prime... would he be a player I start a team with.. No, but certaianly a player I enjoyed watching.

you seem to deal in extremes, most lopsided one way player in the NBA? I thought that was allen iverson according to you? the knicks have made worse moves than amare.. all he cost us was money.. in the end he didn't cost us picks or players... and had we not made silly moves after we signed him, we could have mitigated that signing, but that is another story...

I hope that clears things up so you don't go putting words in my mouth...

Iverson? And which "one" of the "ways" was his "one way"?

Amare only costed us money? how about cap flex? The ability to sign others? The ability to have you maxi be able to stay on the court?

Defensive potential? Really?

So far from a two way player and the one way, he never passes the ball but calls for ball movement. NOT THE TYPE OF CAP KILLA THAT I WOULD WANT TO BUILD AROUND.

Oh ... and we talkin playoffs?

you were the one who called iverson one way...

and what cap flex did amare cost us.. we still had room for another max contract.. we just added the wrong players......

Defensive potential? Really?

So far from a two way player and the one way, he never passes the ball but calls for ball movement. NOT THE TYPE OF CAP KILLA THAT I WOULD WANT TO BUILD AROUND.

not sure what the hell you are arguing.. I wonder if you do most of the time.. not one of us said that we wanted to build around amare.... he was sort of a forced consolation prize.. I liked him as a player.... what point are you trying to make? if any?

Up next: Stat's latent ability to lead the league in assists.

Next week, a new thread introducing proof positive that Marbury and Melo have had absolutely identical Knick careers.

tkf wrote:we are having the same problems now as we did when marbury was here... we didn't have it when amare got here... but boy as soon as we started adding the denver malcontents, we are back to the good ole marbury days.... wow....

I look forward to seeing what topics you post about once Melo has gone- you've been stuck in a rut for a long, long time.