mreinman wrote:tkf wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:smackeddog wrote:arkrud wrote:
Very successful athlete and businessman. Good citizen.
Not a leader. Not a good teammate. Not very smart bbal mind.
To win big he needs good coach, dominant and demanding leader(s) on the team, hard-nose GM to keep him in check.
I'd say he's a good team mate- a lot of his former teammates seem to be life long friends with him (K-Mart, Camby, JR, James White etc)- might be frustrating that he gets selfish with the ball and doesn't pass enough. I agree about him not being a leader, and needing a good coach and a leader on the team.
I agree with this AND ITS BALANCED!
Melo is a conceited and vain dumbo yet Amare who many of these same thoughtless posts(ers) are ok with him being a dumb as nails, no defense, no leader salbatross (salary albatross).
Melo is not a leader and he certainly chucks more than he should
BALANCE PLEASE!
Is that so much to ask? Logical balanced arguments?
DK is evaluating Melo as a player paid $23 mil per. He's already said he thinks Melo is worth $12 to 14 mil per. Obviously he recognizes many strengths Melo has. Is DK less balanced or does he just not feel the need to state the strengths that merit the $12 to 14 mil in every post?
its not about the 12-14 value tag. that is fine. I think its more but everyone has a right to perform their own apology.
it is nice that you come to his defense but his Melo arguments are far from balanced. I am sure that you know that and have not just read this post.
it is certainly far more balanced that TKF (which are just off the chart flawed) though he (tkf) likes associating himself with DK though they really have very little deep rooted philosophies that they agree on.
DK does not like chuckers so he does not like (Kobe, Iverson, Melo and alike). I respect that and I see the flaws that irk him in all these players. However, all these "clown", "narcissist", "doesn't care about winning", "all about the money" etc ... are fully bloated with bias and conjecture.
Bonn, you should be balanced too and feel free to call posters out when you disagree regardless of who they are and you alliances/history with them.
if these other guys were knicks i would be just as stringent in my critique.
So the fact that he is a knick your vision is blurred? To be balanced, maybe you should make believe he was on another team.
I don't see the vitriol for Amare and Tyson so I don't believe that its a knicks thing. I think that you need one guy to blame. This is a commonly exhibited (irrational) behavior.
if he were on another team i would not care at all-- i would simply say that he wasn't worth the money he was being paid and they made a big mistake gutting a nice little roster for him. i said much the same things leading up to the trade here.
you don't ever pay max money for a flawed player if you can avoid it. do you agree?
you NEVER EVER trade for such a player. do you agree?
you NEVER EVER compound an already existing problem in the person of an already-on-the-team flawed player (stoudemire) by adding a redundant player instead of an upgrade at an actual position of need, which in this case was point guard. do you agree?
you don't ever pay max money for a flawed player if you can avoid it. do you agree?
This is far more complicated than your simplification. What constitutes a max player? Durant, Lebron and Paul? Perhaps those guys are worth 30 percent more than the max? How about Harden? Do you pay him the max? Flawed players can get the max if the market determines that they are worth it (supply / demand). Kevin Love? Melo is not as flawed as you think/say. Especially the way he played on the Knicks.you NEVER EVER trade for such a player. do you agree?
I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREEyou NEVER EVER compound an already existing problem in the person of an already-on-the-team flawed player (stoudemire) by adding a redundant player instead of an upgrade at an actual position of need, which in this case was point guard. do you agree?
I think that you should/could make a MUCH better argument here against the signing of Tyson (which I don't here you make). They could have still have gotten an excellent PG if they did not do the dumb tyson move (and we all know how well Melo plays with a very good and efficient PG).You should be placing your blame and angst on the HORRIBLE Amare signing and the equally bad Tyson move.
We gave up too much in the Melo trade, I think that most people believe that (especially if he walks for nothing) but what Amare and Tyson did to our flexibility over the last few years killed us more.
Blame the GM's and the rest of the brass but if you want to blame players, please blame the ones who did not perform and never shut up.
I can't believe I am reading that.... rofl..
He is so flawed as a knick, that had he not been playing for us, I might not have known how flawed he actually is..
After seeing him here over the past 3.5 years, i now see he is more flawed than ever...
stop with the lol's and rofl's, not sure what they add.
Melo certainly has flaws as do most players. When they play on your team the flaws are far more obvious. The problem is that when you are too emotionally vested your vision becomes very blurred. If you see it or not, this is an obvious issue with your judgement.
Most of us see his flaws and would like to see them addressed. We trust in Phil that if he believes that he fits in his puzzle then he will retain him.
LOL, rofl, LMAO..... don't tell me what to do... I laugh because you amuse me..
Most of us see his flaws and would like to see them addressed. We trust in Phil that if he believes that he fits in his puzzle then he will retain him.
dude is going on 14 seasons, you talk of him as if he is a 4 year player.. address his flaws.. coaches have tried.. this dude is what he is.. Phil is not a miracle worker.. I trust if Phil knows what he is doing that he jettisons this dude ASAP....
Listen to how you sound.. Hero worship, you are just like the others bro. You look for a savior, a hero... "we trust in Phil"...haha.. wow.... I hope Phil does the right thing, I know he will try and that is all I can ask for, but trusting in him?
The problem is that when you are too emotionally vested your vision becomes very blurred. If you see it or not, this is an obvious issue with your judgement.
honestly, you are the biggest doubling talking shyt talker on this forum...emotionally vested? you are talking like some starry eyed kid "I trust in phil".. talk about emotional.. don't sit here and pretend you know me. You tend to consistently misrepresent people's post around here, and I rather you not do that with me. If you are going to carry on a conversation with me, don't be a tool and intentionally misrepresent me as a poster... I have been very clear how I feel, I don't need you trying to play DR. Phil...
as far as a vision.. yes I have a , vision one of being a respected franchise, that runs in a way that I can be proud of as a fan, with players who are of high character as well as talent, players with integrity who know how to win..
I would hope that is a vision everyone shares in.. Not one that we latch on to saviors and ride them no matter how much they fail, how bad they are, how much integrity they lack, just because they are knicks, and we want to "believe"..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF