holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

So this season's roster is best suited to go 1 on 1 most plays and switch everything on defense?

Wow, you are better than that bro...

What did you mean by Woodson coaching to what best suits the roster then? Cause stagnant 1 on 1 offense and switching is what we've seen for most of the season.

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

So we were just having a discussion in which you said Woody has the philosophy of ball movement dating back to last year and now you're saying that he's going to Melo only cause everyone else sucks?

And in case you missed it, Melo hasn't been so good the past couple games himself so do we just stop giving him the ball altogether? No we should move it.

No, you were being simplistic trying to paint Woody into advocating that he wanted the 1 on 1 play...Funny thing...How does Woody start JKIdd and Felton in the backcourt and you can't deduce he wants ball movement but let Melo put up 30 shots and your deduction is Woody wants 1 on 1 play...

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Teamball..I have heard Woodson on many many occasions say he wanted ball movement..Have you ever heard him say, I want 1 on 1 play???

I'm not saying he hates ball movement. This season we've had almost none on a consistent basis. Woodsons lack of system and plays leave these players unsure of what to do on the court when things go awry so what we see is one guy decide to try to take it upon themselves to score.

Ball movement is infectious and goes hand in hand with knocking down shots..If guys aren't knocking down shots then a team will most likely not move the ball as freely..The idea to insinuate that Woody doesn't want ball movement after last year's success is just beyond words...I would bet my house on Woodson not wanting 1 on 1 play...Trying to say that's all Woodson want is taking a simplistic view on what actually occurred this season...

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Teamball..I have heard Woodson on many many occasions say he wanted ball movement..Have you ever heard him say, I want 1 on 1 play???

I'm not saying he hates ball movement. This season we've had almost none on a consistent basis. Woodsons lack of system and plays leave these players unsure of what to do on the court when things go awry so what we see is one guy decide to try to take it upon themselves to score.

Ball movement is infectious and goes hand in hand with knocking down shots..If guys aren't knocking down shots then a team will most likely not move the ball as freely..The idea to insinuate that Woody doesn't want ball movement after last year's success is just beyond words...I would bet my house on Woodson not wanting 1 on 1 play...Trying to say that's all Woodson want is taking a simplistic view on what actually occurred this season...

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

that's not just crazy it's stupid

Pat Riley, Doc and Pop have changed their coaching styles and philosophy over the years to suit their rosters...They must be stupid...History have a place for people unwilling to change...

the essence of your ignorant post is that you don't recognize that all three coaches had success by insisting that everyone play defense. and secondly all three have had franchise-level players to work with.

carmelo anthony is not a franchise player but he thinks he is, and unfortunately woodson is too stupid to recognize that carmelo anthony is not a franchise player either.

as a result you have the knicks being a convoluted mess.

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:JR sucked, Felton sucked, Shump sucked, Tyson was injured and sucked, Amare can't play but 20 min and sucked early on...Melo was doing 28 and 9..So what do u do???

Maybe if woodson would have establish roles in november instead of march we would be in a much better situation, like starting JR, the minute ristrictions for amare was release in december, it took shump getting hurt in feb for him to finally bring him off the bench, despite his offensive struggles, and he had no clue how to use barg at all.

What about playing guys like Thj, artest, beno, and amare for 10 minutes or less in NOV and Dec, like who the hell is going to find any rhthym doing that, especially with your main guy jacking up 65% of the shots..

His rotation (still to this day)is assinine 85% of the time...

When your 2-9 in aftrnoon games, 1-20 when trailing aftr 3qtrs, and 2-10 in games decided by 5 or less, and you have a core group of vets who have played with each other for over 3 yrs..YOU FCKG SUCK AS A COACH, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH chris smith or CAA..

It has everything to do with preparation

Please don't make me look for the thread where everyone killed Woody as his suggestion that JR compete for the starting job..

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Teamball..I have heard Woodson on many many occasions say he wanted ball movement..Have you ever heard him say, I want 1 on 1 play???

I'm not saying he hates ball movement. This season we've had almost none on a consistent basis. Woodsons lack of system and plays leave these players unsure of what to do on the court when things go awry so what we see is one guy decide to try to take it upon themselves to score.

Ball movement is infectious and goes hand in hand with knocking down shots..If guys aren't knocking down shots then a team will most likely not move the ball as freely..The idea to insinuate that Woody doesn't want ball movement after last year's success is just beyond words...I would bet my house on Woodson not wanting 1 on 1 play...Trying to say that's all Woodson want is taking a simplistic view on what actually occurred this season...

Do you not see that you actually insinuated that he wants that? I actually only believe that he's enabling it and not calling for it other than down the stretch where guys have actually said the plays are to give Melo the ball. But it seems like you're saying that, as a coach, if Woodson has and should just have Melo take all the shots if everyone else isn't playing well - including himself. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth though so go ahead and clarify

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

When Westbrook went down and KD is taking 30 shots per and the team wins...Do u think the coach is enabling 1 on 1 play?

So...you were insinuating that Woodson is ok with going 1 on 1 as long as everyone else sucks?

And to your point, the teams not winning. I'll just get that out of the way first. 2nd, when the hell was KD taking 30 shots per game? 3rd, 1 on 1 play does not only apply to Melo. Like I alluded to with the lack of a system, guys don't know what to do when things go bad and they try to take it upon themselves and go 1 on 1. The coach, Woodson, Brooks, whoever, is in position to stop it and if they don't, yes they are enabling it. I would have to think that coach Brooks allowed to happen SINCE THEY WERE WINNING.

You think I care if we win a title with Melo attempting every shot of every game for the entire 82 game season? We can play the ugliest ball of all time but if we win I don't give a damn. However, force feeding Melo isn't working especially now that he has a bum shoulder.

Putting words in my mouth??..How many times do I need to write or how many different ways do u want me to say Woodson wants ball movement??..Maybe I should put it in my signature ..JKidd started last year to ensure there will be ball movement...KD had a stretch when Westbrook went down where he was scoring in the 40s, 50+, etc..U can look it up...

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

that's not just crazy it's stupid

Pat Riley, Doc and Pop have changed their coaching styles and philosophy over the years to suit their rosters...They must be stupid...History have a place for people unwilling to change...

the essence of your ignorant post is that you don't recognize that all three coaches had success by insisting that everyone play defense. and secondly all three have had franchise-level players to work with.

carmelo anthony is not a franchise player but he thinks he is, and unfortunately woodson is too stupid to recognize that carmelo anthony is not a franchise player either.

as a result you have the knicks being a convoluted mess.

U talk about these coaches success tied to defense but can't come to terms with MDA's and his lack of advocating defense..I miss centers covering PGs at the top of the key tho...

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Teamball..I have heard Woodson on many many occasions say he wanted ball movement..Have you ever heard him say, I want 1 on 1 play???

I'm not saying he hates ball movement. This season we've had almost none on a consistent basis. Woodsons lack of system and plays leave these players unsure of what to do on the court when things go awry so what we see is one guy decide to try to take it upon themselves to score.

Ball movement is infectious and goes hand in hand with knocking down shots..If guys aren't knocking down shots then a team will most likely not move the ball as freely..The idea to insinuate that Woody doesn't want ball movement after last year's success is just beyond words...I would bet my house on Woodson not wanting 1 on 1 play...Trying to say that's all Woodson want is taking a simplistic view on what actually occurred this season...

Do you not see that you actually insinuated that he wants that? I actually only believe that he's enabling it and not calling for it other than down the stretch where guys have actually said the plays are to give Melo the ball. But it seems like you're saying that, as a coach, if Woodson has and should just have Melo take all the shots if everyone else isn't playing well - including himself. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth though so go ahead and clarify

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

When Westbrook went down and KD is taking 30 shots per and the team wins...Do u think the coach is enabling 1 on 1 play?

So...you were insinuating that Woodson is ok with going 1 on 1 as long as everyone else sucks?

And to your point, the teams not winning. I'll just get that out of the way first. 2nd, when the hell was KD taking 30 shots per game? 3rd, 1 on 1 play does not only apply to Melo. Like I alluded to with the lack of a system, guys don't know what to do when things go bad and they try to take it upon themselves and go 1 on 1. The coach, Woodson, Brooks, whoever, is in position to stop it and if they don't, yes they are enabling it. I would have to think that coach Brooks allowed to happen SINCE THEY WERE WINNING.

You think I care if we win a title with Melo attempting every shot of every game for the entire 82 game season? We can play the ugliest ball of all time but if we win I don't give a damn. However, force feeding Melo isn't working especially now that he has a bum shoulder.

Putting words in my mouth??..How many times do I need to write or how many different ways do u want me to say Woodson wants ball movement??..Maybe I should put it in my signature ..JKidd started last year to ensure there will be ball movement...KD had a stretch when Westbrook went down where he was scoring in the 40s, 50+, etc..U can look it up...

Lol nice try

I'm not gonna put words in your mouth though so go ahead and clarify

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

Why are you acting like I'm pestering you when the post at the beginning of this was you addressing me by my username and telling me that I think Woodson doesn't want ball movement when you're the one saying that he's going to Melo 1 on 1's cause everyone else sucks?

And you do know you said KD was taking "30 shots per" right? You didn't say anything about how much he was scoring until now.

Look it up and tell me how many shots he was taking to score 48,46,48,54 points...

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Teamball..I have heard Woodson on many many occasions say he wanted ball movement..Have you ever heard him say, I want 1 on 1 play???

I'm not saying he hates ball movement. This season we've had almost none on a consistent basis. Woodsons lack of system and plays leave these players unsure of what to do on the court when things go awry so what we see is one guy decide to try to take it upon themselves to score.

Ball movement is infectious and goes hand in hand with knocking down shots..If guys aren't knocking down shots then a team will most likely not move the ball as freely..The idea to insinuate that Woody doesn't want ball movement after last year's success is just beyond words...I would bet my house on Woodson not wanting 1 on 1 play...Trying to say that's all Woodson want is taking a simplistic view on what actually occurred this season...

Do you not see that you actually insinuated that he wants that? I actually only believe that he's enabling it and not calling for it other than down the stretch where guys have actually said the plays are to give Melo the ball. But it seems like you're saying that, as a coach, if Woodson has and should just have Melo take all the shots if everyone else isn't playing well - including himself. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth though so go ahead and clarify

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

When Westbrook went down and KD is taking 30 shots per and the team wins...Do u think the coach is enabling 1 on 1 play?

So...you were insinuating that Woodson is ok with going 1 on 1 as long as everyone else sucks?

And to your point, the teams not winning. I'll just get that out of the way first. 2nd, when the hell was KD taking 30 shots per game? 3rd, 1 on 1 play does not only apply to Melo. Like I alluded to with the lack of a system, guys don't know what to do when things go bad and they try to take it upon themselves and go 1 on 1. The coach, Woodson, Brooks, whoever, is in position to stop it and if they don't, yes they are enabling it. I would have to think that coach Brooks allowed to happen SINCE THEY WERE WINNING.

You think I care if we win a title with Melo attempting every shot of every game for the entire 82 game season? We can play the ugliest ball of all time but if we win I don't give a damn. However, force feeding Melo isn't working especially now that he has a bum shoulder.

Putting words in my mouth??..How many times do I need to write or how many different ways do u want me to say Woodson wants ball movement??..Maybe I should put it in my signature ..JKidd started last year to ensure there will be ball movement...KD had a stretch when Westbrook went down where he was scoring in the 40s, 50+, etc..U can look it up...

Lol nice try

I'm not gonna put words in your mouth though so go ahead and clarify

In case u missed it, the entire team sucked this year, we played crappy ball for stretches..Melo was the only one balling..What do u do, go away from Melo in that case???

Why are you acting like I'm pestering you when the post at the beginning of this was you addressing me by my username and telling me that I think Woodson doesn't want ball movement when you're the one saying that he's going to Melo 1 on 1's cause everyone else sucks?

And you do know you said KD was taking "30 shots per" right? You didn't say anything about how much he was scoring until now.

Look it up and tell me how many shots he was taking to score 48,46,48,54 points...

Oh what the hell I thought you were saying he attempted 30 a game for a stretch of the season. You're just talking about when he put those numbers up. OK that was a misunderstanding on my part.

I did say when Westbrook went down..

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:JR sucked, Felton sucked, Shump sucked, Tyson was injured and sucked, Amare can't play but 20 min and sucked early on...Melo was doing 28 and 9..So what do u do???

Maybe if woodson would have establish roles in november instead of march we would be in a much better situation, like starting JR, the minute ristrictions for amare was release in december, it took shump getting hurt in feb for him to finally bring him off the bench, despite his offensive struggles, and he had no clue how to use barg at all.

What about playing guys like Thj, artest, beno, and amare for 10 minutes or less in NOV and Dec, like who the hell is going to find any rhthym doing that, especially with your main guy jacking up 65% of the shots..

His rotation (still to this day)is assinine 85% of the time...

When your 2-9 in aftrnoon games, 1-20 when trailing aftr 3qtrs, and 2-10 in games decided by 5 or less, and you have a core group of vets who have played with each other for over 3 yrs..YOU FCKG SUCK AS A COACH, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH chris smith or CAA..

It has everything to do with preparation

Please don't make me look for the thread where everyone killed Woody as his suggestion that JR compete for the starting job..

The key word is ESTABLISH and ADJUST, he lacks in those areas immensely. Both jr and shump were struggling in there roles and the team is losing..

Melo is doing all the scoring in the starting line up, and THJ and JR are defending the perimeter off the bench..Maybe i should put jr in the starting line up, and shump can provide defense off the bench while THJ can provide scoring.

Now melos all run down..