NardDogNation wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:NardDogNation wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:NardDogNation wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:NardDogNation wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I am not a Republican or a Republican sympathizer - I think they suck. But I also think the Democrats and liberals suck just as much. Obama has met with no one and has made it *impossible* for the Tea Partyers to take anything back to their constituencies.
I think both parties are bought but one sucks a lot less than the other, which is why I vote Democrat in any national election. I'm also not following you on Obama not being diplomatic with the Tea Party as a whole. When he extended the Bush era tax cuts, maintained our absurd defense spending and disproportionally balanced the sequester on the backs of his constituents, was he not giving Tea Party something to take back to their people? When has the Tea Party returned that favor? And would you really want to capitulate to backwoods politicians that insist on cutting spending indiscriminately?
I've never been into comparing tragedies. The Tea Party is almost comical at this point but what's the point in comparing bad to less-bad?
this is not less-bad and bad. It's ****ing horrible and something workable.
I couldn't disagree more. Gingrich and Clinton talked multiple times a day during the last furlough. Now? Obama is not a shmoozer and I'm sorry, the President of the United States needs to talk to everyone - including morons - if it means the largest business in the world stays open
As bad as it was for Clinton, I don't think he has ever had to deal with this degree of stupidity. Tea Party types don't negotiate. They simply make demands and vote against anything that is not 100% their way. By the way, this is coming from someone who considered himself more of an Eisenhower Republican.
when the tea partyers first emerged, I didn't vote for them but I thought how the movement sprung up was kind of cool because of how American it is. Now they've just proven to be a bunch of opportunistic morons. I wish Obama would have simply granted individuals a one year waiver from opting into the healthcare exchange - like the tea partyers asked for - just so it looks like they won something. And then when their constituents see how much it helped, everyone opts in and the tea morons don't get re-elected. And all this happens without internationally damaging the credibility of the USA. That last point is why I think Obama deserves criticism
The KKK was also a grassroots movement that sprung up at one point in American history. Needless to say, I wasn't encouraged by the Tea Party just because they became the Tea Party. Today, I personally consider them the greatest treat to American society. They make a strong case for why stupid people and the bulk of people south of the Mason-Dixon line shouldn't vote.
while I think jrod covered this post aptly, I will say that comparing a legal, political group to a domestic terror group sort of degrades your message
not for me. Tea Party may technically be a legal, political group but they are domestic terror group by any other name.
this is why the middle of the country flocks to groups like the tea party. The liberal rhetoric is loud and IMO disrespectful. The tea partyers might be ****ing insane but I find your stance so disrespectful that it goes a long way to explaining why the counter-liberal movement has survived and thrived the way it does. I also find it humorous that the democrats haven't figured out a way to beat a bunch of insane ****ing morons. It's like how the Knicks always find a way to play down to their competition. Anwyay, fine, I guess the way to deal with the tea party is to continue to treat them as pariahs and they'll continue to do desperate things. Great strategy, democrats!
Why not call a spade a spade? They seem more than ready to do the same from their perspective e.g. "Obama was born in Kenya", "Obama is a socialist hell bent on destroying the country", "Liberals don't love America", etc. The difference is that our reality is actually grounded in reason and fact. Their mentality is nothing new; we have seen it play out throughout history. They are the people that persecute great minds like Copernicus for proposing a heliocentric theory of our solar system. We see it today in the opposition to Global Warming. They are the people that suggested that a man can not hold public office because of his religious affiliation e.g. JFK when he was running for President. We see it today with Obama constantly being accused of being a Muslim. It goes on and on. They are little people, with little minds and ultimately, it's our responsibility to drag them into the future. It really is the only way progress has ever been made.
Call a spade a spade. Yes indeedy. Quite an ironic choice of terms. Your subliminal liberal rhetoric, so quiet and respectful.
So of course, liberal theology brings you the earth as a planet, Copernicus being persecuted for saying so, Global Warming, and we'll throw in a secret love of Catholicism just to throw you conservative religionists a bone. You've got some great facts there.
"We" and "They".
Keep taking names, I'm sure when the powers that be come knocking on your door, you'll be on Obama's personal foundation of determining who's stupid and who's actually worthy of the right to vote.
Yes, liberalism. Bringing you the tremendous facts of abortion, euthanasia and other fine examples of "reason and fact." Tell me, when do "we" start deciding who's actually worthy of life itself? Why stop at voting? Oh wait, you of the "we" are already discussing that, aren't "we"?
Global warming, right. You are really still chewing on Mr. Nobel's hockey stick? Did you buy lots of stock in end of the world Y2K futures?
Keep paying your income taxes. Keep your worldview that Uncle Sam is going to take care of everything for you, because when "we" are in power, everything is being done correctly. Only Harvard grads need apply to positions of power, you idiot conservatives who live on worldviews based on faith or anything other than "our" rational "facts" please get on the train.
Unbelievable.