3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

No we simply needed to beat THAT lottery team....can't allow CONTENDING teams to get closer to us either.

THAT lottery also beat OKC, Atlanta, Nuggets and Clippers. Besided they've been playing .500 ball since Wall returned. The season is a grind.....

Okay then we shouldn't elevate early season wins beating the Heat and Spurs if that's how wins and losses are supposed to be kept in perspective.

You can't say YEAH we smashed the Heat and Spurs we're BAD AZZ and then lose to the Pizzards and Queens and say NO BIGGIE....IT'S A GRIND

Here's the deal as the games become less and the schedule becomes tougher and the margin of separation between us and say the 6th seed is 5-6gms you can't drop games to a LOTTERY team.

It's just that simple.

Dude relax...we're 7-3 in our last 10 are 1.5 games behind the Heat and are 3 games up on the Nyets in the Atlantic. I'm dissapointed as I thought this was a game we should have won but these games are going to happen from time to time. We took them to lightly and Ariza absolutely killed us last night.

Before the season started I thought we would win around 55 games and we're still on pace. Step off the ledge my friend.

CashMoney wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

Agreed.

We always end up losing to poor teams whenever we start feeling confident- it has always, always happened- back in the 90s it used to bother me, but now, after 20 years of witnessing the same thing over and over again, it still annoys me but I don't get in a panic about it.

smackeddog wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

Agreed.

We always end up losing to poor teams whenever we start feeling confident- it has always, always happened- back in the 90s it used to bother me, but now, after 20 years of witnessing the same thing over and over again, it still annoys me but I don't get in a panic about it.

The past is the past but to be fair in regards to our Knicks of 2012-2013 we've only lost 5 games to teams with losing records. Dallas (1-1), Lakers, 76ers (2-1), Sacramento (1-1) and Washington last game (1-1).

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

the heat and the thunder were nba finalists so they have a proven track record.

what sort of track record do the knicks have?

the knicks are going to end up with fewer than 50 wins if they don't recalibrate their approach, stressing defense first. fewer than 50 wins means 3rd or 4th seed which reduces our chances of reaching the conference finals a whole bunch. the knicks' schedule gets harder not easier after the all-star break. 8 back to backs with 4 back to backs on the road. 19 games on the road.

It seems you always have some excuse. The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wizard's this season. It does not make them any better or worse. The Knick's lost to the Wizard's. It does not make the Knicks any better or worse. It is a long season and great teams will lose to lesser teams. This is particularly true in the NBA where even the bad teams have good or very good players.

Really, track record is irrelevant to this discussion and probably more relevant when discussing playoff expectations.

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

the heat and the thunder were nba finalists so they have a proven track record.

what sort of track record do the knicks have?

the knicks are going to end up with fewer than 50 wins if they don't recalibrate their approach, stressing defense first. fewer than 50 wins means 3rd or 4th seed which reduces our chances of reaching the conference finals a whole bunch. the knicks' schedule gets harder not easier after the all-star break. 8 back to backs with 4 back to backs on the road. 19 games on the road.

It seems you always have some excuse. The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wizard's this season. It does not make them any better or worse. The Knick's lost to the Wizard's. It does not make the Knicks any better or worse. It is a long season and great teams will lose to lesser teams. This is particularly true in the NBA where even the bad teams have good or very good players.

Really, track record is irrelevant to this discussion and probably more relevant when discussing playoff expectations.

And this is exactly what dk7th was probably talking about, so it's not some excuse as you started your reply with.

NUPE wrote:

martin wrote:

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

the heat and the thunder were nba finalists so they have a proven track record.

what sort of track record do the knicks have?

the knicks are going to end up with fewer than 50 wins if they don't recalibrate their approach, stressing defense first. fewer than 50 wins means 3rd or 4th seed which reduces our chances of reaching the conference finals a whole bunch. the knicks' schedule gets harder not easier after the all-star break. 8 back to backs with 4 back to backs on the road. 19 games on the road.

It seems you always have some excuse. The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wizard's this season. It does not make them any better or worse. The Knick's lost to the Wizard's. It does not make the Knicks any better or worse. It is a long season and great teams will lose to lesser teams. This is particularly true in the NBA where even the bad teams have good or very good players.

Really, track record is irrelevant to this discussion and probably more relevant when discussing playoff expectations.

And this is exactly what dk7th was probably talking about, so it's not some excuse as you started your reply with.

Actually, it is not exactly what he was talking about.

He was making excuses for the THUNDER and HEAT loss to Wizard's because of past playoff performance. No single reg. season loss is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs. No single reg. season win is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs.

What I was saying is past playoff performance is indicative of how a team might fare in the playoffs. Thus, I am pointing the difference out between reg. season wins & losses versus past playoff performance in relation to predicting future playoff performance.

It's also funny how good reg. season wins versus the Heat, Spurs and a few others teams have been downplayed in various ways while bad reg. season losses are somehow indicative of looming playoff failure by a few people on this board.

no he wasn't.

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

No we simply needed to beat THAT lottery team....can't allow CONTENDING teams to get closer to us either.

THAT lottery also beat OKC, Atlanta, Nuggets and Clippers. Besided they've been playing .500 ball since Wall returned. The season is a grind.....

Okay then we shouldn't elevate early season wins beating the Heat and Spurs if that's how wins and losses are supposed to be kept in perspective.

You can't say YEAH we smashed the Heat and Spurs we're BAD AZZ and then lose to the Pizzards and Queens and say NO BIGGIE....IT'S A GRIND

Here's the deal as the games become less and the schedule becomes tougher and the margin of separation between us and say the 6th seed is 5-6gms you can't drop games to a LOTTERY team.

It's just that simple.

Dude relax...we're 7-3 in our last 10 are 1.5 games behind the Heat and are 3 games up on the Nyets in the Atlantic. I'm dissapointed as I thought this was a game we should have won but these games are going to happen from time to time. We took them to lightly and Ariza absolutely killed us last night.

Before the season started I thought we would win around 55 games and we're still on pace. Step off the ledge my friend.

7-3 in the last 10gms and 5 of those wins were against near trash teams(Detroit 2)...Not impressed of what our play has been past 20-25gms. Essentially has been .500 basketball.

Now you look at a team like Denver who's been on a relative hot streak and of their last 10gms played against teams above .500 they are 9-1. That's when things can be kept in a lighter perspective. Losing to the Wizards was an awful loss no ifs, ands, buts, about it.. 3-4weeks ago this guy was looking like this..

Yet we made him look like a near diety

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

martin wrote:

NUPE wrote:

martin wrote:

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

the heat and the thunder were nba finalists so they have a proven track record.

what sort of track record do the knicks have?

the knicks are going to end up with fewer than 50 wins if they don't recalibrate their approach, stressing defense first. fewer than 50 wins means 3rd or 4th seed which reduces our chances of reaching the conference finals a whole bunch. the knicks' schedule gets harder not easier after the all-star break. 8 back to backs with 4 back to backs on the road. 19 games on the road.

It seems you always have some excuse. The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wizard's this season. It does not make them any better or worse. The Knick's lost to the Wizard's. It does not make the Knicks any better or worse. It is a long season and great teams will lose to lesser teams. This is particularly true in the NBA where even the bad teams have good or very good players.

Really, track record is irrelevant to this discussion and probably more relevant when discussing playoff expectations.

And this is exactly what dk7th was probably talking about, so it's not some excuse as you started your reply with.

Actually, it is not exactly what he was talking about.

He was making excuses for the THUNDER and HEAT loss to Wizard's because of past playoff performance. No single reg. season loss is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs. No single reg. season win is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs.

What I was saying is past playoff performance is indicative of how a team might fare in the playoffs. Thus, I am pointing the difference out between reg. season wins & losses versus past playoff performance in relation to predicting future playoff performance.

It's also funny how good reg. season wins versus the Heat, Spurs and a few others teams have been downplayed in various ways while bad reg. season losses are somehow indicative of looming playoff failure by a few people on this board.

no he wasn't.

dk7th indicated that the Heat and Thunder were NBA finalists (last year) as if that negates the fact that they lost to the Wizards this current season.

He then states that the Knicks need to re-calibrate their approach as if they are nose diving which simply is not remotely the case.

I simply think much ado is being made about this loss and it is not a huge deal.

you have it backwards: of the three teams heat thunder knicks which has had the least success and has the most to prove?

you're trying to EQUATE the three teams because they all lost to the same opponent, which is specious reasoning.

the knicks have no time to rest on laurels and be complacent. heat and thunder have laurels to rest on and if they are complacent then at least they have a PROVEN TRACK RECORD, ie THEY HAVE BEEN TO THE FINALS.

I am not trying to equate the teams. I DID NOT say that the Knicks are as good as the Thunder / Heat.

What I am saying is that good teams have lost to the Wizard's this year and it's not the end of the world. What I am saying is that this loss to the Wizard's is not some harbinger of impending playoff disaster. It's not some sign that the Knick's need to re-calibrate. It's not a sign of some looming several game losing streak. It's just a single loss. Nothing more and nothing less.

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

martin wrote:

NUPE wrote:

martin wrote:

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Dissapointing but we can't win em all. Hopefully we get back to our winning ways against the Wolves on Friday.

It is this simple. No need to cry over every single loss all season. The Knicks are going to lose 20 to 30 games this year. That will still equate to a very good regular season which is the goal. I believe the Heat and OKC have also lost to the Wizard's this year. What does this mean, absolutely nothing in the large scheme of things.

the heat and the thunder were nba finalists so they have a proven track record.

what sort of track record do the knicks have?

the knicks are going to end up with fewer than 50 wins if they don't recalibrate their approach, stressing defense first. fewer than 50 wins means 3rd or 4th seed which reduces our chances of reaching the conference finals a whole bunch. the knicks' schedule gets harder not easier after the all-star break. 8 back to backs with 4 back to backs on the road. 19 games on the road.

It seems you always have some excuse. The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wizard's this season. It does not make them any better or worse. The Knick's lost to the Wizard's. It does not make the Knicks any better or worse. It is a long season and great teams will lose to lesser teams. This is particularly true in the NBA where even the bad teams have good or very good players.

Really, track record is irrelevant to this discussion and probably more relevant when discussing playoff expectations.

And this is exactly what dk7th was probably talking about, so it's not some excuse as you started your reply with.

Actually, it is not exactly what he was talking about.

He was making excuses for the THUNDER and HEAT loss to Wizard's because of past playoff performance. No single reg. season loss is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs. No single reg. season win is indicative of how a team will perform in the playoffs.

What I was saying is past playoff performance is indicative of how a team might fare in the playoffs. Thus, I am pointing the difference out between reg. season wins & losses versus past playoff performance in relation to predicting future playoff performance.

It's also funny how good reg. season wins versus the Heat, Spurs and a few others teams have been downplayed in various ways while bad reg. season losses are somehow indicative of looming playoff failure by a few people on this board.

no he wasn't.

dk7th indicated that the Heat and Thunder were NBA finalists (last year) as if that negates the fact that they lost to the Wizards this current season.

He then states that the Knicks need to re-calibrate their approach as if they are nose diving which simply is not remotely the case.

I simply think much ado is being made about this loss and it is not a huge deal.

you have it backwards: of the three teams heat thunder knicks which has had the least success and has the most to prove?

you're trying to EQUATE the three teams because they all lost to the same opponent, which is specious reasoning.

the knicks have no time to rest on laurels and be complacent. heat and thunder have laurels to rest on and if they are complacent then at least they have a PROVEN TRACK RECORD, ie THEY HAVE BEEN TO THE FINALS.

I am not trying to equate the teams. I DID NOT say that the Knicks are as good as the Thunder / Heat.

What I am saying is that good teams have lost to the Wizard's this year and it's not the end of the world. What I am saying is that this loss to the Wizard's is not some harbinger of impending playoff disaster. It's not some sign that the Knick's need to re-calibrate. It's not a sign of some looming several game losing streak. It's just a single loss. Nothing more and nothing less.

i'd rather see the knicks of the first 10 games of the season-- you know, the team that played great defense. i thought that was going to be our identity and i was moving towards optimism. that was then this is now. this team still lacks an identity-- unless you care to describe what that identity is.

I'd like to see the Knick's play better D also.

However, the Knick's defense has no correlation with attempts to downplay Heat and OKC losses to the Wizard's. Tonight, the NETS - a team many believed would be better than the Knicks early this season - lost to the Wizards by 15 points. Just further indication that good teams have lost to the Wiz and the Knick's loss to the Wiz is not some sign of the apocalypse.