dk7th wrote:

NYDiva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:Can one of the several stat obsessed guys - you know who you are - tell me what Melo's TS% was tonight?

it was 71.6% tonight and it is going to be around 57% for the season after tonight, stopping-- for one game-- the gradual reversion back to his career average of around 54-55%.

55% is average and anything above 58% is elite.

what's your point?

I think the point is that when a guy has a 72% TS on his way to scoring 42 points in a win, including the clutch go ahead 'and one', maybe his detractors could lay off of him for 5 minutes. Maybe.

But, Martin has spoken so I shall respect the mods position on this. No more on this subject for moi.

no the point is that many fans are so starved for any inkling of success from anthony-- who has not proven he can win anything playing the way he does-- that they lose sight of the overarching goal for our team which is to win it all, or short of that make the ECF. we are in win-now mode as a result of the melo trade and if we sink the trade will have been proven to be a mistake. if we succeed then everything i understand about winning basketball will have been proven wrong-- i will be only too happy to be proven wrong, despite those who believe otherwise, ie i am glad when we lose or melo fails. baloney!

he has been regressing all season in terms of shooting and defense and looks increasingly like the player he has always been and that should be cause for concern.

last night his usage rate to assist rate was an unprecedented 8:1. iso-MELO is not going to win in the playoffs with that ratio, let alone 3:1 or 2.5:1.

so far as martin and andrew are concerned you guys should be glad they are tolerating dissenting points of view-- the powers that be at realgm don't have such an inclusive approach and the site is probably boring as hell right now.

i make this observation not as a complaint but a reminder that it is entirely possible to remain courteous even if one holds a diametrically opposite point of view.

and it's also a great way to learn something-- because it's not about clinging desperately to ones point of view so much as learning or disabusing yourself of faulty notions.

Papabear Says

Ooh stop it!! The real GM got rid of you because you was poisoning their forum with your negative posts. Now you are starting to do the same thing here. You can't help yourself and it will be just a matter of time before you cross the line. You can't help yourself.

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NYDiva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:Can one of the several stat obsessed guys - you know who you are - tell me what Melo's TS% was tonight?

it was 71.6% tonight and it is going to be around 57% for the season after tonight, stopping-- for one game-- the gradual reversion back to his career average of around 54-55%.

55% is average and anything above 58% is elite.

what's your point?

I think the point is that when a guy has a 72% TS on his way to scoring 42 points in a win, including the clutch go ahead 'and one', maybe his detractors could lay off of him for 5 minutes. Maybe.

But, Martin has spoken so I shall respect the mods position on this. No more on this subject for moi.

no the point is that many fans are so starved for any inkling of success from anthony-- who has not proven he can win anything playing the way he does-- that they lose sight of the overarching goal for our team which is to win it all, or short of that make the ECF. we are in win-now mode as a result of the melo trade and if we sink the trade will have been proven to be a mistake. if we succeed then everything i understand about winning basketball will have been proven wrong-- i will be only too happy to be proven wrong, despite those who believe otherwise, ie i am glad when we lose or melo fails. baloney!

he has been regressing all season in terms of shooting and defense and looks increasingly like the player he has always been and that should be cause for concern.

last night his usage rate to assist rate was an unprecedented 8:1. iso-MELO is not going to win in the playoffs with that ratio, let alone 3:1 or 2.5:1.

so far as martin and andrew are concerned you guys should be glad they are tolerating dissenting points of view-- the powers that be at realgm don't have such an inclusive approach and the site is probably boring as hell right now.

i make this observation not as a complaint but a reminder that it is entirely possible to remain courteous even if one holds a diametrically opposite point of view.

and it's also a great way to learn something-- because it's not about clinging desperately to ones point of view so much as learning or disabusing yourself of faulty notions.

Papabear Says

Ooh stop it!! The real GM got rid of you because you was poisoning their forum with your negative posts. Now you are starting to do the same thing here. You can't help yourself and it will be just a matter of time before you cross the line. You can't help yourself.

Papa, if you have something to respond to dk7th, please do. I am reading his above post.... what's wrong with its observation?

Melo's defense has been slipping. And the ISO game is much more alive today than it was in the beginning of the year. Now, there are many reasons for this: Kidd's back is out and Felton just returned. So, is it a revert to bad habits or is it just Melo trying to fill a gap in the Knicks' lineup?

Can we please stop taking every criticism as if it were a blatant disregard for everything else that is going on? If you would like to argue the points, please do so - the rest of what you are posting is garbage. Don't you see that?

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NYDiva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:Can one of the several stat obsessed guys - you know who you are - tell me what Melo's TS% was tonight?

it was 71.6% tonight and it is going to be around 57% for the season after tonight, stopping-- for one game-- the gradual reversion back to his career average of around 54-55%.

55% is average and anything above 58% is elite.

what's your point?

I think the point is that when a guy has a 72% TS on his way to scoring 42 points in a win, including the clutch go ahead 'and one', maybe his detractors could lay off of him for 5 minutes. Maybe.

But, Martin has spoken so I shall respect the mods position on this. No more on this subject for moi.

no the point is that many fans are so starved for any inkling of success from anthony-- who has not proven he can win anything playing the way he does-- that they lose sight of the overarching goal for our team which is to win it all, or short of that make the ECF. we are in win-now mode as a result of the melo trade and if we sink the trade will have been proven to be a mistake. if we succeed then everything i understand about winning basketball will have been proven wrong-- i will be only too happy to be proven wrong, despite those who believe otherwise, ie i am glad when we lose or melo fails. baloney!

he has been regressing all season in terms of shooting and defense and looks increasingly like the player he has always been and that should be cause for concern.

last night his usage rate to assist rate was an unprecedented 8:1. iso-MELO is not going to win in the playoffs with that ratio, let alone 3:1 or 2.5:1.

so far as martin and andrew are concerned you guys should be glad they are tolerating dissenting points of view-- the powers that be at realgm don't have such an inclusive approach and the site is probably boring as hell right now.

i make this observation not as a complaint but a reminder that it is entirely possible to remain courteous even if one holds a diametrically opposite point of view.

and it's also a great way to learn something-- because it's not about clinging desperately to ones point of view so much as learning or disabusing yourself of faulty notions.

Papabear Says

Ooh stop it!! The real GM got rid of you because you was poisoning their forum with your negative posts. Now you are starting to do the same thing here. You can't help yourself and it will be just a matter of time before you cross the line. You can't help yourself.

Papa, if you have something to respond to dk7th, please do. I am reading his above post.... what's wrong with its observation?

Melo's defense has been slipping. And the ISO game is much more alive today than it was in the beginning of the year. Now, there are many reasons for this: Kidd's back is out and Felton just returned. So, is it a revert to bad habits or is it just Melo trying to fill a gap in the Knicks' lineup?

Can we please stop taking every criticism as if it were a blatant disregard for everything else that is going on? If you would like to argue the points, please do so - the rest of what you are posting is garbage. Don't you see that?

Papabear Says

Garbage?? I don't think so I disagree with you but it is your forum and I must accept your rules. I apologize to you it's your forum. Let me say this, Melo has a coach who's name is Woodson and he is the one who maps out a plan for the game. If the Knicks is playing Iso b ball it's because Woody wants it that way. If he didn't want that he would change the game plan. So don't blame Melo blame Woody, he plans the game. Sure if Melo's defense is slipping it just may be because he is carring the wait of the team on his back. He is one of the better rebounders in the game. He is playing against power fowards his body is being abused when going to the basket and half of the time he don/t even get a call. It's not like he is surronded by shooters. It is up to Woody to stop the Iso and not Melo and just pray that the other players nail those shots. Yes we can agree not to agree. Finally the observation of dk7th and TKD is that when we all or should I say most of us are having a feel good moment during a game they just can't bring them selves to say a positive without sticking a negative at the end and it seems they get pleasure raining on our feel good parade.

There you go Papa. Thats how you respond to criticism!. You make your point why you disagree. We are here because we like to discuss basketball and the Knicks not to try everything in the sun to get everyone to agree and get on the same page. That is boring.

Others take notice

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NUPE wrote:Papa, just put TKF and his alts on ignore, as I did. Problem solved.

I always found this interesting, putting people on ignore,

when you put someone on ignore, what are you really saying?

you're saying that reading something gets you so riled up that you have no control over yourself,

so you would favor censoring anyone that doesn't agree with you,

you're saying that you're against free speech, you're basically a fascist

i have asked cooch to put me on ignore but i don't regard him as a fascist, nor papabear for that matter. it would be nice if disagreement were a catalyst for a good dialogue instead of personal attacks and verbal abuse. but posters should definitely use the ignore button if they just don't have the patience or focus to maintain a conversation.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NUPE wrote:Papa, just put TKF and his alts on ignore, as I did. Problem solved.

I always found this interesting, putting people on ignore,

when you put someone on ignore, what are you really saying?

you're saying that reading something gets you so riled up that you have no control over yourself,

so you would favor censoring anyone that doesn't agree with you,

you're saying that you're against free speech, you're basically a fascist

No, what you actually could be saying is exactly what martin told Papa.

You get tired of having to skip and trip over garbage.

Personally, I'd much rather the garbage just be gone, and not have to bother skipping past post after post after post of pointless Melohate. Especially when the man's setting records, carrying us on his back, and, oh by the way, we're in first place. And in case you need to be told once again, no one else on the team is as big a reason we are in first place as Melo is. I know that's painful for haters to read, but it's a fact. Best player on this team.

As others have posted, I wonder if other teams' forums are as filled with hate for their own best player as this one is.

And saying Melo deserves it is a cop out. They don't hate on their own best player because THEY'RE FANS OF THEIR OWN TEAM, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE EFFETE INNER QUALITY OF NEVERENDING REALISTIC UNENDING CRITICISM. It's truly amazing how that works.

All that said, relax PapaBear. As others have pointed out, the small yet vocal cadre of Somberite Haters have become a caricature of themselves. The longer we stay in first place and among the top ten teams in the league, the more deranged the caricature will become. I especially love the way they quote each other and pat each other on the back and agree endlessly with each other.

Enjoy the games, people!

BasketballJones wrote:You guys are like oohah's family at Thanksgiving.

You've had Thanksgiving at oohah's?