NYDiva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:Well Felton being back to help our offense is a MYTH for at least 1 game....

its one game back. We go as Melo goes unfortuntately especially when Amare is not starting. Dig holes every game in the 1st

I don't know if that's true. Our biggest wins came with Melo having bad shooting nights (first Heat game & both Spurs games) and with him out (Heat). The team isn't passing the ball (bottom of the league in assists) or playing consistent defense anymore. Another thing...if Woody is truly supposed to be a defensive guru, if he is really about holding guys accountable, then they aren't responding to him anymore.

And furthermore when this happens Knicks theb don't play any defense and game, set & match win for opposition team

NYKMentality wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:Like I maintained & say in other post
You rap & left-hook the entire Knick team to the chin and that team falls into bad habits
then gets blown out each and every time.

Yea, right, that's why we're 26-15 overall. Out of those 15 loses?

1.) Kings beat us by 1 point(buzzer beater).
2.) Dallas beat us by 3 point.
3.) Brooklyn got us by 3 points.
4.) Bulls were by 4 points.
5.) Portland got us by 5.
6.) Pacers got us by 5 points.
7.) Boston got us by 6 points.
8.) Lakers by 6 points.
9.) Chicago got us by 7 points.
10.) Brooklyn was by 7 points (OT).
11.) Chicago was by 8 points.
12.) Memphis was by 10 points.

Do I have to spell it out? We've battled through so many injuries in regards to Felton, Shumpert, Stoudemire along with our aging BIG's. Even Melo missed 7 games.

But which teams blew us out "each and every time" during our 41 ball games? 11 of our 15 loses have been by 8 points (or fewer). 12 of our 15 loses have been by 10 points or fewer. 6 of our 15 loses have been by 6 points or fewer.

Please, at least make sense when attacking our Knicks. Stop telling lies. When's the last time we've won the Atlantic Division? 1994. We're currently first place of our Atlantic division. 41 games into the season too. When's the last time the Knicks were second place of the Eastern Conference 41 games into the season?

Would you like to talk about our team wins as well? Because I could find a lot more 'each and every time's' in regards to blow out's when discussing our wins. Especially when compared to a hand full of blowouts in which happen to each and every team, each and every season. That's unless we're talking about the 96 Bulls in which only lost 10 games. And even those guys suffered a blowout. A 32 point defeat against our Knicks.

So once again, when speaking of our Knicks as a non-contender - Which teams/games are you referring to when stating "blown out" along with "each and every time" . Oh yea, that's right, you must be talking about 3 games.

1 & 2). Houston twice. Once by 28 points and once by 13 points.

But you know what's pathetic on your part and/or your post above? How quickly you forget. Four key words. 'How Quickly You Forget'. Due to a single loss. How quickly you forget. I'll explain below.

During our 28 point loss against the Rockets, we were only 11 games into the season with a record of 8-2 heading into our matchup against Houston. You harp all over that 28 point defeat while completing ignoring our 8-2 start heading into that game. How convenient of you. You forget to mention, when stating "blow out loses" "each and every time" how Shumpert, Stoudemire, Wallace and Camby were all out. How quickly you forget.

Due to your post above, it seems as if you must still harp all over that 13 point lost against Houston as well. You ignore the fact that our Knicks were 9-1 during our last 10 games heading into that rematch with the Rockets. How quickly you forget. The Knicks lost by 13 points during a "blowout" after going 9-1 heading into that game. But yet, you're still talking about a "blowout" along with "each and every time". How quickly you forget that Carmelo Anthony, Shumpert, Amar'e, Camby and Wallace were all out.

3.) That must leave tonight. The 17 point loss against Philly due to a very poor shooting night. Let's not mention the fact's though. Lets not mention that we have 3 players in whom are currently returning/adjusting from injury in Felton, Shumpert and Amar'e. Let's not forget to mention the fact that tonight was the first time that we've seen Felton, Shumpert, Melo, Amar'e and Chandler on the same court together here in 2012-2013.

So once again...

DJMUSIC wrote:Like I maintained & say in other post
You rap & left-hook the entire Knick team to the chin and that team falls into bad habits
then gets blown out each and every time.

Please, explain.

Out of 41 ball games, which blow out loses "each and every time" are you talking about? Is it my turn to discuss our wins yet? Because I just broke down our loses.

11 games into the season at 8-2 heading into Houston; you're pissed.

9-1 during our past 10 heading into our rematch against Houston; you're pissed.

Felton, Kidd, Shump, Melo, Chandler, Amar'e and J.R all playing together, for the first time here in 2012-2013, first place of the Atlantic, 2nd place of the entire Eastern Conference; and you're pissed.

You see, some fans will never stop being pissed at our Knicks. Not even during one of our most productive seasons that we've had since Ewing of his prime years. They won't stop attacking anything and everything Knicks related until we win a championship. We get it. The Knicks get hit in the mouth, we crumble like cookies, and our 15 loses have all been blow outs and our 26 wins have all been by only 1 point during overtime fluke wins.

We get it.

There was just crappy coaching and boneheaded plays left and right - all night, LAZY, OFF BALANCE crap jumpers and NO DEFENSE that allowed Philly to embarrass the knicks, who did a great job of embarrassing themselves.

NYKMentality wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:Like I maintained & say in other post
You rap & left-hook the entire Knick team to the chin and that team falls into bad habits
then gets blown out each and every time.

Yea, right, that's why we're 26-15 overall. Out of those 15 loses?

1.) Kings beat us by 1 point(buzzer beater).
2.) Dallas beat us by 3 point.
3.) Brooklyn got us by 3 points.
4.) Bulls were by 4 points.
5.) Portland got us by 5.
6.) Pacers got us by 5 points.
7.) Boston got us by 6 points.
8.) Lakers by 6 points.
9.) Chicago got us by 7 points.
10.) Brooklyn was by 7 points (OT).
11.) Chicago was by 8 points.
12.) Memphis was by 10 points.

Do I have to spell it out? We've battled through so many injuries in regards to Felton, Shumpert, Stoudemire along with our aging BIG's. Even Melo missed 7 games.

But which teams blew us out "each and every time" during our 41 ball games? 11 of our 15 loses have been by 8 points (or fewer). 12 of our 15 loses have been by 10 points or fewer. 6 of our 15 loses have been by 6 points or fewer.

Please, at least make sense when attacking our Knicks. Stop telling lies. When's the last time we've won the Atlantic Division? 1994. We're currently first place of our Atlantic division. 41 games into the season too. When's the last time the Knicks were second place of the Eastern Conference 41 games into the season?

Would you like to talk about our team wins as well? Because I could find a lot more 'each and every time's' in regards to blow out's when discussing our wins. Especially when compared to a hand full of blowouts in which happen to each and every team, each and every season. That's unless we're talking about the 96 Bulls in which only lost 10 games. And even those guys suffered a blowout. A 32 point defeat against our Knicks.

So once again, when speaking of our Knicks as a non-contender - Which teams/games are you referring to when stating "blown out" along with "each and every time" . Oh yea, that's right, you must be talking about 3 games.

1 & 2). Houston twice. Once by 28 points and once by 13 points.

But you know what's pathetic on your part and/or your post above? How quickly you forget. Four key words. 'How Quickly You Forget'. Due to a single loss. How quickly you forget. I'll explain below.

During our 28 point loss against the Rockets, we were only 11 games into the season with a record of 8-2 heading into our matchup against Houston. You harp all over that 28 point defeat while completing ignoring our 8-2 start heading into that game. How convenient of you. You forget to mention, when stating "blow out loses" "each and every time" how Shumpert, Stoudemire, Wallace and Camby were all out. How quickly you forget.

Due to your post above, it seems as if you must still harp all over that 13 point lost against Houston as well. You ignore the fact that our Knicks were 9-1 during our last 10 games heading into that rematch with the Rockets. How quickly you forget. The Knicks lost by 13 points during a "blowout" after going 9-1 heading into that game. But yet, you're still talking about a "blowout" along with "each and every time". How quickly you forget that Carmelo Anthony, Shumpert, Amar'e, Camby and Wallace were all out.

3.) That must leave tonight. The 17 point loss against Philly due to a very poor shooting night. Let's not mention the fact's though. Lets not mention that we have 3 players in whom are currently returning/adjusting from injury in Felton, Shumpert and Amar'e. Let's not forget to mention the fact that tonight was the first time that we've seen Felton, Shumpert, Melo, Amar'e and Chandler on the same court together here in 2012-2013.

So once again...

DJMUSIC wrote:Like I maintained & say in other post
You rap & left-hook the entire Knick team to the chin and that team falls into bad habits
then gets blown out each and every time.

Please, explain.

Out of 41 ball games, which blow out loses "each and every time" are you talking about? Is it my turn to discuss our wins yet? Because I just broke down our loses.

11 games into the season at 8-2 heading into Houston; you're pissed.

9-1 during our past 10 heading into our rematch against Houston; you're pissed.

Felton, Kidd, Shump, Melo, Chandler, Amar'e and J.R all playing together, for the first time here in 2012-2013, first place of the Atlantic, 2nd place of the entire Eastern Conference; and you're pissed.

You see, some fans will never stop being pissed at our Knicks. Not even during one of our most productive seasons that we've had since Ewing of his prime years. They won't stop attacking anything and everything Knicks related until we win a championship. We get it. The Knicks get hit in the mouth, we crumble like cookies, and our 15 loses have all been blow outs and our 26 wins have all been by only 1 point during overtime fluke wins.

We get it.

PLEEESEE...
don't put a twist on this and some of those < 7 point Knick Loses

Its ok to be satisfied with Knicks season its good, well agree! 150%

However,
You know darn-well what we're talking about here many of the Knicks Loses mentioned in your tracking
(Rockets loss a true blowout ..left out ) The Knickerbockers was OUT OF THE GAME before any little run to make score closer/closest.

I am just telling it like it is brother .. The Knicks Yes will be in playoffs, have they played well since Jan.2013 during season
prior to 1/2 way ALLStar break ? Answer HELL NO

It aint the losses, its how you lose & what you do to adjust and close the gap in being exploited by teams.
That is point you're missing.

I am happy with Knicks overall season and back into prominence talk discussions being a contender.
But unlike yourself I am not going to satisfy myself with injury bug (ALL NBA teams has) or this and that is ideal in
Knick-Land early season success. There is always room to improve Which is what my comments on NY has been about all along.

Since stats are shown here, lets talk about what it pointed out:
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1.) Kings beat us by 1 point(buzzer beater). Knicks down big & early 3 QTRs to a Thunder, Heat, Spurs, Nets, Clips, Bulls or Griz
team ? fine understood those are contender NBA best.
NY down in 27-point deficit to Sacr. Kings ? their butts was being blown out by a bad team
UNACCEPTABLE:

2.) Dallas beat us by 3 point. I do not now NOR undertand why Dallas Mavs are mentioned here sure an elite team in many prior yrs
however the Knicks played well & MAVs played a bit better. Mavericks are not a winning team this season and in transition likely
not a playoff team anyway 2012/2013.

NY falled behind by double-digits, came closer but have no issue with loss on road & thus this N/A for point your talks.
I do not think I ever posted about NY here losing a Nov. 2012 game on the road to mavericks

3.) Brooklyn got us by 3 points. Again this is similar with 2) above except Knicks >.600 Winning PCT, area rival a great game
between Knicks vs Nets. LOSS & win by Brooklyn. Only thing I mention with this loss is NETs punched Knicks often and beat them,
I ran my mouth about things from Knicks side needed to be address, but generally not shocked on Bklyn win since NY wasnt playing
well at MSG to begin with All month Dec./January. A Divison Loss & we shouldnt talk about it eh ?

4.) Bulls were by 4 points. Knicks get down big again and lose. Forget the score the sole close game NY played vs chicago nip
and tuck was at Chicago gym, Not this 4 pt Knick loss where both Garden games BULLs ruled the Knicks & you know it. Bulls an
improving contender & A Division/conference loss where I'm talking about it.

5.) Portland got us by 5. Portland wins and played great all game, Blazers was on the road and this team isnt the big contender
NBA teams as far as recent years in the playoffs. This is game Knicks was back on their heels and never gave fans impression they
would win the home game, fact. No problem with the loss I've never made a post about it.

6.) Pacers got us by 5 points. Indy like Blazers starting playing well and Knicks on road never historically was great at Indy's
gym. Loss accepted Pacers outplayed NY last quarter & Indy is a contender. No problem & you ain't see me put a post about it here,
though again a Division/conference loss to a contender foe but NY was shorthanded. No prob.

7.) Boston got us by 6 points. Celtics up & down having issues this season, Knicks needed to win a rival division game at home
but Celtics get up for NY. Knicks had their chances and failed the 'Punch in mouth' test from the tested Celtics. A Division loss
as their div. losses begin to accumulate.

8.) Lakers by 6 points. Knicks hung in LA Xmas day for a while but LA needed to win at home. Melo so-so game & Knicks didn't win.
Loss to LA don't bother me at all.

9.) Chicago got us by 7 points. Which game is this ? The same one at 2nd Garden game BULLs blasted Knicks and let up last 3 min
to make score respectable eh? The Knicks got 2 losses to BULLs, this made 3rd, another Division loss to hated BULLs,

UNACCEPTABLE:

10.) Brooklyn was by 7 points (OT). This was at Brooklyn's Gym, early in season. IT would be nice to beat them but aside from
a Division loss to contender Knicks still 2-2 in series.

11.) Chicago was by 8 points. Don't go there with BULLS PLeeeeeessseee. BULLs ruled Knicks all season & Fans here on forum know
it if you didn't. 3 straight losses tells me.

Unless you're the Miami Heat the losses to BULLs means something
more than NYK 2 blowout wins over HEAT (away and home) fact is Heat are Champs.

SO I put more weight on BULLs losses since unless NY hands down wins it division, then seeding is in question then there ya go.
Nets still have chance to win DIV. & I don't want to play BULLs early on or in middle of playoffs.

12.) Memphis was by 10 points. This was a blowout. 10 pts statement dont mean nothing here,
Knicks was out of this game by 2nd Qtr.

I wont say unacceptable since Griz is where Knicks want to get.

>>>>>

ALL in all
Knicks are contending. Great for for NY, but so what ? Until they've done something like position themselve for maximum
benefits of a good season I ain't going to paint the picture anyone else like me to cause all Knicks losses are acceptable
they ain't. Few are acceptable and some are not ! I am goin to run my big mouth on it, whether it falls on popularity %
but its no hard feelings.

If I'm pissed off on how they've loss its my personal business & most dont have to go for it.

I respect the homer's here on board, If I dont like what someone says Or laments on a post about players or team, owner

I keep it generally but I respect others views on Knicks whether agree OR disagree.

Ending it Knicks have not played well.

I wont make any excuses on rebounding woes, lack of D sometimes OR poor decisions to start games at times
failure to adjust ingame once in awhile.

I'm sure they will get better but Knicks are still a work in progress, though a great season pending
we hope finishes the way Fans like!

dk7th wrote:2 games is all that separates us from 5th 6th seed.

dk7th wrote:ok just saw the game and obviously you have to question whether woodson is slowly losing this team. it's not just THAT they lost it's HOW they lost.

where was the preparation?

focus?

leadership?

look at the body language of the players. look at the lack of intensity defensively. look at all the one-on-one nonsense. if the knicks don't turn it around prior to the all-star break it's going to be very tough. they have a much more intense schedule-- 10 back-to-backs post all-star break with a lot of old and injured players.

2 games is all that separates us from 5th seed.

I remember when woodson lost the team in atlanta, the losses were epic blowouts.....

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:ok just saw the game and obviously you have to question whether woodson is slowly losing this team. it's not just THAT they lost it's HOW they lost.

where was the preparation?

focus?

leadership?

look at the body language of the players. look at the lack of intensity defensively. look at all the one-on-one nonsense. if the knicks don't turn it around prior to the all-star break it's going to be very tough. they have a much more intense schedule-- 10 back-to-backs post all-star break with a lot of old and injured players.

2 games is all that separates us from 5th seed.

I remember when woodson lost the team in atlanta, the losses were epic blowouts.....

That is alarming. Our losses to Sacramento, chicago, phill and both to Houston were epic blowouts. Thats 5 blowouts right there

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That is alarming. Our losses to Sacramento, chicago, phill and both to Houston were epic blowouts. Thats 5 blowouts right there

If Woodson really did completely lose the team, dont you think the resulting blow out losses would be consecutive?