Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I hope MDA succeeds but it still won't validate anything with the type of personel he has. Give Woodson that roster he probably goes 78-4 the rest of the way

The team has looked crappy so far. They're 2-12 from the pre and regular season.

But we all know thats an aberration and a small sample size.

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

No coach deserves to be fired after 5gms. Lakers hired Eddie Jordan as an assistant figuring the Princeton offense could benefit the team in time. An offense Antawn Jamison and Steve Blake wer very familiar with. Lakers let go Brown's assistants from the year prior to. Let's face it everyone had an axe to grind with Brown from day 1. Magic Johnson being one of the foremost amongst Laker Nation. Brown should have never been hired in the first place if the Lakers did their homework properly.

Dwight wanted everyone to be patient and he had some pretty solid games his short stint in it. Kuptchak tried to talk them into being more patient with Brown

Mike Brown is known as a defensive specialist and the Lakers improved here as a club after he took over from Phil

Let's see Lakers's brain trust hated the Triangle offense felt it was outdated and stale.....Fired all of Phil's assistants and wanted nothing to do with anyone affiliated with Phil, even Brian Shaw someone Kobe wanted them to strongly consider. Dumped Odom, dumped Fisher, tried to dump Gasol, dumped Bynum for the sexy malcontent star(yep they starfudged like we do here), signed an over the hill point guard in Nash and other well past prime vets, hella over the cap and tax, hardly no youth going forward, not many picks in the fold

So this appears to be almost the workings of a father/son situation rivaling the Dolans in New York. Jerry Buss relinquishes the team over to his son Jim and this dude thinks he's Teflon.

Look I understand trying to do their best to stay relevant but at least be rational throughout the process.

i heard that the front office didn't want the lakers to win the next 5 games with brown at the helm because they realized their mistake in hiring him and wanted to not have to fire him should they go on said winning streak. so instead of prolonging the mistake they cut bait when the opportunity arose. yes it's cold but what is he doing not allowing the pick and roll to be front and center with nash there and with a underdeveloped howard-- someone who has little or no possibility of becoming a legitimate low post threat?

isn't it just simpler to allow gasol and howard participate in pick and rolls with bryant and nash? bryant is perfectly capable of running a pick and roll if asked to.

you get a coach who runs a princeton weave to highlight the talents of such talents as steve blake and antawn jamison?

when they acquired both howard and nash i frankly expected pick and roll to death semi-breaks and fast breaks galore.

the only thing not rational is implementing an offense that doesn't allow nash to do his thing.

Well they ran some pick and rolls here and there but the Lakers also hired Eddie Jordan.... once again a decision they made. Mike Brown typically let's his assistants do their thing. Not saying it's something a coach should or shouldn't do but for someone respected in many coaching circles not sure if this is a big a deal as made out to be. Kuester was his offensive assistant from last season, lakers let him go along with others. They hired another assistant from Orlando to help Dwight transition there.

I'm also getting tired of the pick and roll talk.

Look if every team in the NBA is running pick and roll as their staple,(most teams do) what is separating one coach from another? D'AnToni did not invent the pick and roll, he's not the coach to master it's operation or function. If all it takes is pick and roll offense to fix the Lakers then you don't need to make a mockery of hiring and firing coaches. Brown should have been fired during the summer and you hire D'AnToni or Sloan during...Sloan interviewed for the Bobcats job so he was readily available. If we're talking PNR then all roads-discussions begin and end with him the best in the business. Even Sloan didn't invent it.

There's enough blame to go around. Dwight Howard should be more developed offensively so they don't have to rely heavily on such a system, also how does PNR enhance Kobe's game or more so take advantage of his skill set? Kobe has been stubborn, Lakers had an injured Steve Nash, their bench is suspect as all get out and frankly put they're old.

This is typical mgmt incompetency and sabotaging at it's finest. I do think D'AnToni will help them because it settles them down into a base set with no pressure, in which everyone and their mom can grasp but Lakers have other major issues with their team.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Wow

Well as avid Knick fan I respectively feel MDA deserve chance again paid his dues in NBA
and was out some while before this move.

However this is NewYork/MDA Part 2 (LA Version)
yes there is more talent in West experience Lakers, yes PG S.Nash happy to be reunited with MDA
yes LA has experienced OLD d'efense players like Kobe, Dwight and Gasol.
yes both stars Kobe & Dwight used to MDA from Olympics mens team I get all that !

But MDA with all these 'older' talents and legendary Kobe isn't going to get it done unless MDA realizes
his nba system like he calls it needs tweaks for todays nba starting with defender 1st mentality and coaching.

However they wont win title with MDA system he needs to realize this is a DEFENSIVE NBA league again
moreso than few yrs back with just relying on talented players, skills and running offense the way
MDA expertise is built on.

This AINT gonna work. The MDA fallout will happen again with germ-superstar Dwight Howard
and also MDA can match that two (2) bad eggs together,

However with any the rumored demands Phil J made to LA org. is false we hear.
Back to MDA the same issues MDA had with Melo even if melo was wrong & deemed selfish lets be real
THIS & THAT wasnt ALL Melo's fault 100%. MDA has some faults into that plight and his system of basketball
hoops in this era of NBA players & talented teams.

I think Phil Action Jackon deserved the time Lakers say they would give him to make his mind up without pressures.
Beside being an ex-knick I dont care for Phil but Lakers used him here to hire MDA.

All in all Lakers was beginning to slowly turn things around in the NBA/West
but if we think for 1 sec MDA is sole one to bring Lakers to heights of their talent & quest for NBA West title
and championship soon think again.

This wont work & Howard may last 1 to 2 yrs in LA, once we all read the lines between a Dwight Howard vs MDA clash
Lets not enough talk of Future HOF Kobe, he can blend to the circumstance & Kobe wont be reason why
NewYork/MDA Part 2 'La version 1.0' fails again out west.

*Sign, great good goach in MDA whom stubborness will again be his demise.
write it in stone

You're forgetting one thing.

This isn't MDA/Knicks version 2.0

This is MDA/Suns version 2.0 + Kobe + Howard.

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

No coach deserves to be fired after 5gms. Lakers hired Eddie Jordan as an assistant figuring the Princeton offense could benefit the team in time. An offense Antawn Jamison and Steve Blake wer very familiar with. Lakers let go Brown's assistants from the year prior to. Let's face it everyone had an axe to grind with Brown from day 1. Magic Johnson being one of the foremost amongst Laker Nation. Brown should have never been hired in the first place if the Lakers did their homework properly.

Dwight wanted everyone to be patient and he had some pretty solid games his short stint in it. Kuptchak tried to talk them into being more patient with Brown

Mike Brown is known as a defensive specialist and the Lakers improved here as a club after he took over from Phil

Let's see Lakers's brain trust hated the Triangle offense felt it was outdated and stale.....Fired all of Phil's assistants and wanted nothing to do with anyone affiliated with Phil, even Brian Shaw someone Kobe wanted them to strongly consider. Dumped Odom, dumped Fisher, tried to dump Gasol, dumped Bynum for the sexy malcontent star(yep they starfudged like we do here), signed an over the hill point guard in Nash and other well past prime vets, hella over the cap and tax, hardly no youth going forward, not many picks in the fold

So this appears to be almost the workings of a father/son situation rivaling the Dolans in New York. Jerry Buss relinquishes the team over to his son Jim and this dude thinks he's Teflon.

Look I understand trying to do their best to stay relevant but at least be rational throughout the process.

i heard that the front office didn't want the lakers to win the next 5 games with brown at the helm because they realized their mistake in hiring him and wanted to not have to fire him should they go on said winning streak. so instead of prolonging the mistake they cut bait when the opportunity arose. yes it's cold but what is he doing not allowing the pick and roll to be front and center with nash there and with a underdeveloped howard-- someone who has little or no possibility of becoming a legitimate low post threat?

isn't it just simpler to allow gasol and howard participate in pick and rolls with bryant and nash? bryant is perfectly capable of running a pick and roll if asked to.

you get a coach who runs a princeton weave to highlight the talents of such talents as steve blake and antawn jamison?

when they acquired both howard and nash i frankly expected pick and roll to death semi-breaks and fast breaks galore.

the only thing not rational is implementing an offense that doesn't allow nash to do his thing.

Well they ran some pick and rolls here and there but the Lakers also hired Eddie Jordan.... once again a decision they made. Mike Brown typically let's his assistants do their thing. Not saying it's something a coach should or shouldn't do but for someone respected in many coaching circles not sure if this is a big a deal as made out to be. Kuester was his offensive assistant from last season, lakers let him go along with others. They hired another assistant from Orlando to help Dwight transition there.

I'm also getting tired of the pick and roll talk.

Look if every team in the NBA is running pick and roll as their staple,(most teams do) what is separating one coach from another? D'AnToni did not invent the pick and roll, he's not the coach to master it's operation or function. If all it takes is pick and roll offense to fix the Lakers then you don't need to make a mockery of hiring and firing coaches. Brown should have been fired during the summer and you hire D'AnToni or Sloan during...Sloan interviewed for the Bobcats job so he was readily available. If we're talking PNR then all roads-discussions begin and end with him the best in the business. Even Sloan didn't invent it.

There's enough blame to go around. Dwight Howard should be more developed offensively so they don't have to rely heavily on such a system, also how does PNR enhance Kobe's game or more so take advantage of his skill set? Kobe has been stubborn, Lakers had an injured Steve Nash, their bench is suspect as all get out and frankly put they're old.

This is typical mgmt incompetency and sabotaging at it's finest. I do think D'AnToni will help them because it settles them down into a base set with no pressure, in which everyone and their mom can grasp but Lakers have other major issues with their team.

yes most teams run the pick and roll but most teams don't have either chris paul or steve nash. that to me is the difference here: you have a player who is going to be setting up everyone better than any other PG in the league so you let him.

the key is bryant's stubborness. since he shoots off the dribble as good as anyone-- a lost art as clyde has pointed out-- then what better circumstance to do so in a pick and roll offense? and he should be able to catch and shoot with the best of them as well, at least out to 18 feet.

unless you think that bryant needs a couple of power dribbles and a completely unobstructed path to the basket then he should allow himself to transition to an "older" game and prolong his career. of course that is too logical for a guy with such an ego, but still.

howard don't get me started-- he had clifford ray at the start of his career, who was displaced by pat ewing. clifford ray goes to boston and develops kendrick perkins and ewing does absolutely and predictably nothing with howard, who in desperation seeks out the dream, alas perhaps too late. as of right now perkins has a better post up game than howard does.

Syniko wrote:I said Suns 2.0 only because of the Nash connection.

Lin was almost Nash-like for an instance but by then MDA was already gone. MDA said the best pick and roll combo for him is Nash and Howard. He is going to utilize that to the ground. Kobe will be Kobe and he'll get his touches. Pau will fare in the system as well. Nash makes everyone around him better.

As for defense. The Lakers already have the big 3 Defender in Howard, Bryant and MWP.

Lakers will have big 3 playing D
but as far as nba standards and for sucessful winning season the big 3 D' wont be because of MDA
absolutely not. No no no nope nope never !

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

No coach deserves to be fired after 5gms. Lakers hired Eddie Jordan as an assistant figuring the Princeton offense could benefit the team in time. An offense Antawn Jamison and Steve Blake wer very familiar with. Lakers let go Brown's assistants from the year prior to. Let's face it everyone had an axe to grind with Brown from day 1. Magic Johnson being one of the foremost amongst Laker Nation. Brown should have never been hired in the first place if the Lakers did their homework properly.

Dwight wanted everyone to be patient and he had some pretty solid games his short stint in it. Kuptchak tried to talk them into being more patient with Brown

Mike Brown is known as a defensive specialist and the Lakers improved here as a club after he took over from Phil

Let's see Lakers's brain trust hated the Triangle offense felt it was outdated and stale.....Fired all of Phil's assistants and wanted nothing to do with anyone affiliated with Phil, even Brian Shaw someone Kobe wanted them to strongly consider. Dumped Odom, dumped Fisher, tried to dump Gasol, dumped Bynum for the sexy malcontent star(yep they starfudged like we do here), signed an over the hill point guard in Nash and other well past prime vets, hella over the cap and tax, hardly no youth going forward, not many picks in the fold

So this appears to be almost the workings of a father/son situation rivaling the Dolans in New York. Jerry Buss relinquishes the team over to his son Jim and this dude thinks he's Teflon.

Look I understand trying to do their best to stay relevant but at least be rational throughout the process.

i heard that the front office didn't want the lakers to win the next 5 games with brown at the helm because they realized their mistake in hiring him and wanted to not have to fire him should they go on said winning streak. so instead of prolonging the mistake they cut bait when the opportunity arose. yes it's cold but what is he doing not allowing the pick and roll to be front and center with nash there and with a underdeveloped howard-- someone who has little or no possibility of becoming a legitimate low post threat?

isn't it just simpler to allow gasol and howard participate in pick and rolls with bryant and nash? bryant is perfectly capable of running a pick and roll if asked to.

you get a coach who runs a princeton weave to highlight the talents of such talents as steve blake and antawn jamison?

when they acquired both howard and nash i frankly expected pick and roll to death semi-breaks and fast breaks galore.

the only thing not rational is implementing an offense that doesn't allow nash to do his thing.

Well they ran some pick and rolls here and there but the Lakers also hired Eddie Jordan.... once again a decision they made. Mike Brown typically let's his assistants do their thing. Not saying it's something a coach should or shouldn't do but for someone respected in many coaching circles not sure if this is a big a deal as made out to be. Kuester was his offensive assistant from last season, lakers let him go along with others. They hired another assistant from Orlando to help Dwight transition there.

I'm also getting tired of the pick and roll talk.

Look if every team in the NBA is running pick and roll as their staple,(most teams do) what is separating one coach from another? D'AnToni did not invent the pick and roll, he's not the coach to master it's operation or function. If all it takes is pick and roll offense to fix the Lakers then you don't need to make a mockery of hiring and firing coaches. Brown should have been fired during the summer and you hire D'AnToni or Sloan during...Sloan interviewed for the Bobcats job so he was readily available. If we're talking PNR then all roads-discussions begin and end with him the best in the business. Even Sloan didn't invent it.

There's enough blame to go around. Dwight Howard should be more developed offensively so they don't have to rely heavily on such a system, also how does PNR enhance Kobe's game or more so take advantage of his skill set? Kobe has been stubborn, Lakers had an injured Steve Nash, their bench is suspect as all get out and frankly put they're old.

This is typical mgmt incompetency and sabotaging at it's finest. I do think D'AnToni will help them because it settles them down into a base set with no pressure, in which everyone and their mom can grasp but Lakers have other major issues with their team.

yes most teams run the pick and roll but most teams don't have either chris paul or steve nash. that to me is the difference here: you have a player who is going to be setting up everyone better than any other PG in the league so you let him.

the key is bryant's stubborness. since he shoots off the dribble as good as anyone-- a lost art as clyde has pointed out-- then what better circumstance to do so in a pick and roll offense? and he should be able to catch and shoot with the best of them as well, at least out to 18 feet.

unless you think that bryant needs a couple of power dribbles and a completely unobstructed path to the basket then he should allow himself to transition to an "older" game and prolong his career. of course that is too logical for a guy with such an ego, but still.

howard don't get me started-- he had clifford ray at the start of his career, who was displaced by pat ewing. clifford ray goes to boston and develops kendrick perkins and ewing does absolutely and predictably nothing with howard, who in desperation seeks out the dream, alas perhaps too late. as of right now perkins has a better post up game than howard does.

If it's about having CP3 or Steve Nash and Kobe's stubbornness then it's not really about the coach. Especially when Nash was hurting.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Syniko wrote:I said Suns 2.0 only because of the Nash connection.

Lin was almost Nash-like for an instance but by then MDA was already gone. MDA said the best pick and roll combo for him is Nash and Howard. He is going to utilize that to the ground. Kobe will be Kobe and he'll get his touches. Pau will fare in the system as well. Nash makes everyone around him better.

As for defense. The Lakers already have the big 3 Defender in Howard, Bryant and MWP.

Lakers will have big 3 playing D
but as far as nba standards and for sucessful winning season the big 3 D' wont be because of MDA
absolutely not. No no no nope nope never !

MDA is not as bad on D as so many seem to think. It's been highly overstated. But all the doubters can keep on thinking that if they wish. He'll have some defensive talent to work with and that's at least a start. Last season was the 1st time MDA had a real defensive Center to anchor his defense. I think he'll be able to figure it out with the Lakers roster too.

As for MDA being stubborn, he's not the only head coach that has that trait. However, this is also a much overstated point. Here in NY he adapted his offense many times to try and make allowances for the lack of talent. However, there are limits to how far he wanted to go away from his system. Just like PJax loves the Triangle, sometimes a coach is convinced of the value of a style of play and will stick with it. That's not a bad thing necessarily.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:I am just curious, where is there such a need here to see dantoni fail? I don't get it.. really I don't...

obviously people desperate to see the carmelo trade validated have to crap on walsh, d'antoni, gallinari, chandler, mozgov, fields, stoudemire, and douglas.

so you root for them to fail to boost carmelo's value since carmelo's value is an issue in everyone's eyes. everyone's.

yea pretty much figured that.. just had to ask... I mean if you have to root for others to fail in order to validate moves you agree with, isn't that a "fail' in itself?

usually i dont agree but on this one i do. Even though MDA needed to go i still wish the guy well. He is a good guy and has had a pretty good career as a coach even though he lacks defensive instincts

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:I am just curious, where is there such a need here to see dantoni fail? I don't get it.. really I don't...

obviously people desperate to see the carmelo trade validated have to crap on walsh, d'antoni, gallinari, chandler, mozgov, fields, stoudemire, and douglas.

so you root for them to fail to boost carmelo's value since carmelo's value is an issue in everyone's eyes. everyone's.

yea pretty much figured that.. just had to ask... I mean if you have to root for others to fail in order to validate moves you agree with, isn't that a "fail' in itself?

usually i dont agree but on this one i do. Even though MDA needed to go i still wish the guy well. He is a good guy and has had a pretty good career as a coach even though he lacks defensive instincts