gunsnewing wrote:We need Kyrie Irving

Too young for this team, remember Woodson philosophy “the older the better”. By the way, I heard Michael Finley is attempting a comeback.

Reggie Evans - offensive rebounds - "difference maker"

Tyson Chandler - offensive rebounds - "cleaning up the garbage"

Hey, it's nice to know other teams have homers.

JR circling back out to pass on an almost uncontested fast break layup after a turnover to go out and miss a three. I hope Woody has him running until his feet bleed for that one.

Melo had his moment in regulation and missed the 20 footer. Some nights, that one will fall. We have witnessed that. Like MJ says in the commercial, not being afraid to fail is succeeding. Work on the pressurized foul shooting, son.

The switching every 5 seconds at the end of regulation between Brewer for D and Novak for 3 is stupid. Novak wasn't doing sheet all game. Did Woody suddenly realize that those threes Brewer's been hitting this young season suddenly didn't count for this game?

Felton can make me wanna throw up just listening to his shot selection at times.

Can someone please tell JR that after the 3rd block, Bropez knows all about how his step back j works?

JR was playing good D (when he wasn't forced to double down on JJ and then watch Stack hit open 3's) and he and Melo were the only Knicks I heard other than Tyson getting O boards.

Shame we probably won't get a chance to be at full strength to play the N*yets until the playoffs.

Nice game.

Shitty ending.

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:When we needed a last shot in a close game Melo choked...

That's why I prefer winning games with comfortable leads, don't want to see Zero Ball A.K.A. Hero Ball

Choked?! Get out of here!! Dude had 35 and 13 in 50 mins. He cant make every shot. To be honest, it should have never come down to the last shot. The 2 playes before that shot were horrible play calls by Woodson. Those triple screen plays is either going to result in a runner from Felton or an alley oop to Tyson. Nets sagged and let Felton shoot.

You're confirming my stance on this. Melo filled up the stat sheet...I don't care I've been told for a while now Melo clutch gene separates him from so many players. I don't care about clutch gene I want to win games where we aren't dependent on Hero Ball or last second shot. Because at the end of the day as Melo likes to say a player is probably only going to make 30% of those opportunities which means you watch them fail more than they succeed in such situations.

Yes, its team ball. Other than Tyson, his teammates came up small on the offensive end. Woodson didnt help either with the two plays he called that proceeded the Melo miss. My point is, it should have never come down to that shot.

uptown, this team wasn't built to have multiple playmakers. which is why melo wanted lin out of town, and honestly, I am not sure woodson was so hot on lin as well, said he needed a PG who shot less.. well felton is taking a lot of shots.. but we lack guys who can create for others off the dribble.. this team is built that way, for better or worse.... what we can hope is that kid doesn't miss many games as he tends to make sense of the madness on the court most of the time...

The team was built for the PG to feed the bigs Amare/Chandler/Camby and get them going offensively. Lin would have just come off the bench and would be playing the Jr Smith role on this team.

really? and how is that possible when we don't play pick and roll.. and if lin was here he would be starting and running pick and roll if woodson had a brain...

First and foremost the PG's job for Woody is to take care of the ball. Woody runs pick and roll just doesn't make it his base offense like MDA does. Majority of Felton's assist this season have gone to Chandler. When Amare comes back I am sure we are going to see a lot more PNR.

Felton is the 2nd leading scorer and shot taker on this team right now. I thought that wasn't allowed?

Lin playing a 6th man role and leading a 2nd unit would be the perfect role for him on this team.

fishmike wrote:fun game to watch. Knicks have a lot of holes and they looked slow and old last night. Melo played a great game but burned out and fizzled late.

This is the problem being built this way... our 38 year old PG has back spasms and aside from Net's total inability to keep Chandler off the offensive glass and Melo's great scoring night the rec guys at my YMCA play better offense.

Sometimes I get the feeling like Woodson is just practicing **** on offense. He didn't allow anyone else to really touch the ball other then Melo, Felton and Chandler.

Vs Indy its like he practiced having Melo attack the rim continuously.

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:fun game to watch. Knicks have a lot of holes and they looked slow and old last night. Melo played a great game but burned out and fizzled late.

This is the problem being built this way... our 38 year old PG has back spasms and aside from Net's total inability to keep Chandler off the offensive glass and Melo's great scoring night the rec guys at my YMCA play better offense.

Sometimes I get the feeling like Woodson is just practicing **** on offense. He didn't allow anyone else to really touch the ball other then Melo, Felton and Chandler.

Vs Indy its like he practiced having Melo attack the rim continuously.

Its not a popular thing to do, but sometimes you have to give the other team credit. They played a really good game on the dfensive side of the ball. The Nets adjusted and took away the lob on the PNR by packig the paint which lured Felton into shooting a bit too much. They closed hard on Novak and crowded him on the perimter. Shame on Woody for calling the same play 3 times in a row (that triple pick at the top of the key) which ended with Felton forcing up those runners.

I agree. Brooklyn played a heck of a game. Even Iso Joe passed the ball to the open Stackhouse. BroPez is going to be a problem. As Nalos said, the man is huge. He takes up so much space and is very skilled offensive player. He really does remind me a lot of Brad Daugherty.

NYKBocker wrote:I really think that Melo is in the Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy level. Which is great. He is not in the MJ, Bird, Magic, Isiah, Kobe level. I think LeDouche will be there soon. Melo will be fine. I still think we gave up too much for him, but you can't deny his skillset.

you can deny his skillset if he doesn't make others better and in effect accumulates stats in a vacuum.

you can't build around such players which is exactly what dolan is forcing grunwald to do.

this is looking more and more like the iverson 76er scenario but at least iverson averaged 6 assists.

dk7th wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I really think that Melo is in the Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy level. Which is great. He is not in the MJ, Bird, Magic, Isiah, Kobe level. I think LeDouche will be there soon. Melo will be fine. I still think we gave up too much for him, but you can't deny his skillset.

you can deny his skillset if he doesn't make others better and in effect accumulates stats in a vacuum.

you can't build around such players which is exactly what dolan is forcing grunwald to do.

this is looking more and more like the iverson 76er scenario but at least iverson averaged 6 assists.

Iverson was a 5'11 combo guard handling the ball 90% of the time. He should average 6 assists.

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I really think that Melo is in the Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy level. Which is great. He is not in the MJ, Bird, Magic, Isiah, Kobe level. I think LeDouche will be there soon. Melo will be fine. I still think we gave up too much for him, but you can't deny his skillset.

you can deny his skillset if he doesn't make others better and in effect accumulates stats in a vacuum.

you can't build around such players which is exactly what dolan is forcing grunwald to do.

this is looking more and more like the iverson 76er scenario but at least iverson averaged 6 assists.

Iverson was a 5'11 combo guard handling the ball 90% of the time. He should average 6 assists.

iverson in his prime had a usg% of 35
carmelo's usg% is around 33% for his prime

no appreciable difference and for that amount of ball control any player should have upwards of 5 assists... wouldn't you think?