BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I'm still a little pissed that they killed Rob and the Stark clan. I was rooting for them to see things through but I suppose that now that they are gone, things become so much more interesting. I suppose I'll be rooting for Daenerys now for the throne, although Tyrion is a dark horse of mine.

Don't lose hope. There are still Stark children left and the North always remembers lol

And this mummer's farce is almost done!

NardDogNation wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I'm still a little pissed that they killed Rob and the Stark clan. I was rooting for them to see things through but I suppose that now that they are gone, things become so much more interesting. I suppose I'll be rooting for Daenerys now for the throne, although Tyrion is a dark horse of mine.

Don't lose hope. There are still Stark children left and the North always remembers lol

It's kinda hard for me to have hope in Ginger Stark. She seems so hapless, lol. Arya and Bran show promise though.

On a side, is Theon in the book and did what happen to him happen there as well?

Dont count Ginger out yet. And there is also the youngest, Rickon.

Theon is in the books and is indeed also captured by Ramsay Snow (though it happens a bit differently, but whatever). The show decided to explicitly decided to show him being tortured whereas in the books he disappears for 2 books and when he reappears he is Ramsays plaything, Reek. My guess is the showrunners liked Alfie Allens performance and thus decided to show the torture explicitly.

And just imagine: Season 4 is so action packed, Joffreys death is EPISODE 2! Hold onto your seats, people!

In terms of Theon's story- for a TV audience, it would be really hard to have a guy like him appear sparingly in season 1, A LOT in season 2 and doing important thigns, and then dissapearing for the next 2 seasons. TV viewers don't have the memory or attention span for that. So they fleshed him out more in season 1, featured him in season 2 and then showed more of the story on screen while its happening so that the viewers could get more familiarity with Theon and the Boltons, who obviously become crucial parts to the story in the North.

They will have to do the same with Tyrion and Bran. Neither appear in feast, so they will probably drag their story out and then show some of their Book 5 storyline concurrently.

Something to do with the dead doves in the cake.

mattshaw78 wrote:

mreinman wrote:so who killed him? Many had a reason to kill him.

Something to do with the dead doves in the cake.

It had to be Olenna Tyrell, as she was brushes Sansa's hair to eventually getting the poison from the jewelry to kill him.

Poor Tyrion. One of my favorite characters. He is constantly being accused of doing/being bad and yet he has the strongest sense of duty, being just and fair.

Examples:
Rob Stark is rude to him when he returns from the wall with a drawing of a saddle which will allow Bran to ride a horse.
Littlefinger accuses Tyrion (when speaking to Catelyn) of owning the knife that the attacker used to try to kill Bran.
Catelyn accuses Tyrion of trying to kill Bran and has him captured and taken to the Eyrie where everyone hates him and accuses him of killing Jon Arryn and attemped murder of Bran.
Cersie accuses him of something every time they have a scene together.
And finally, he is accused of murdering Joffrey and thrown into the dungeons.

VDesai wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Anyone else creeped out by Jaime raping Cersie? I did not think it was a rape after reading the book's version of the scene.

In the book, Cersei eventually consents. Here its like she sorta starts to consent and then she doesn't. Also its weirder in the TV show because in the book, that's when Jamie first returns, so there's sort of a longing there. ON the show, she's already rejected him for sex once. Anyway, was a very strange change for me- goes back to making Jamie more of a villain.

Is no one impressed he can do it with one hand?

mattshaw78 wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Anyone else creeped out by Jaime raping Cersie? I did not think it was a rape after reading the book's version of the scene.

In the book, Cersei eventually consents. Here its like she sorta starts to consent and then she doesn't. Also its weirder in the TV show because in the book, that's when Jamie first returns, so there's sort of a longing there. ON the show, she's already rejected him for sex once. Anyway, was a very strange change for me- goes back to making Jamie more of a villain.

Is no one impressed he can do it with one hand?

H1AND1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Whoa, The last few minutes once Jon said he knew about Bran I was like what the heck did he just say. Then ghost being caged up and everything else. We have left the books people.

And that ending! Book readers have officially begun being spoiled by the show!

We were already spoiled. It's never really spelled out that Craster was giving his sons to the Others in the book. There have been a few other occasions where the show has revealed explicit details that were only hinted at in the book.