I think Scott Layden is an idiot. I hate every deal he's made for the Knicks... except this one.

Scott Layden was not the doctor that gave the physical. He did not read the MRI or the X-rays, he did not administer the stress tests for McDyess' knee, and he most certainly was not the one that broke the kneecap. That being said, tell me where you can blame Layden. He had two opinions on McDyess' knee saying it was sound, in fact stronger than pre-surgery tests. Wouldn't you trade a slow point guard and a frail "center" for a 20/10 power forward?

Posted by knicksbb10:

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IF YOU THINK LAYDOWN DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE BLAMED. C'MON MAN WAKE THE F-CK-D UP!!! WAKE UP!!!! YOU MUST'VE BEEN COMATOSE! WHY WOULD YOU GIVE UP YOUR #7 PICK AND 2 PLAYERS BUT TO GET BACK A HIGH RISK PLAYER WHO HAD SURGERY ON HIS KNEE. MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE TRADE TO BEGIN WITH. LAYDOWN HAD OTHER OPTIONS HE COULD'VE UTILIZED BUT NOOOOOO, HE GAMBLED AND ROLLED THE DYESS ONLY TO GET CRAPPED OUT. LAYDOWN NEEDS TO GO IF HE WANTS TO SAVE THE KNICKS. HE HANDLED THE SPREE SITUATION HORRIBLY AND WAS HEAVLIY CRITCIZED FOR IT. HAVE YOU BEEN READING THE PAPERS OVER THE LAST 3 TO 4 MONTHS. IF HEALTHLY,LAYDOWN IS A GENIUS FOR DOING THIS TRADE BUT IF MCDYESS REMAINS WITH THE BUM KNEE THEN LAYDEN LOSESON THE GAMBLE. HE NEEDS TO GO IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HE MAKES MORE DAMN ENEMIES.

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READY TO ROLL WITH MCDYESS #34

Well they might as well sell the team because the Knicks arent going to see the playoffs anytime soon. Huge risk no hedge with a bust=doom. This is the HIGHEST payrolled team in the NBA and that wont change next year--we have luxury tax payments of near 50mm per and we wil be winning 20 games a year--for those who think that you cant get a good pick at 7 go back and study the draft instead of shooting your mouth off. This is the epitome of a joke. this business model doesnt work anymore is flawed the nba changed and the knicks didnt change with it. Now under poor management they face years of no playoffs. High risk can have devastating results if it goes backwards on u.

I'm aware that the lottery pick was included. There's also this moron thing I do, called thinking. I "conveniently" left out the word "injured" because McDyess wasn't injured when the trade occurred. He was rehabbed, playing full-court games in Houston, and ready to go. This was a random injury. I asked you this before... how critical would you be of this trade if he hurt his right knee?

Posted by nykfan37:

Wouldn't you trade a slow point guard and a frail "center" for a 20/10 power forward?

You conveniently left out a Lottery Pick and the word "Injured" before power forward.

how else do you see yourself getting a dominant PF. Hey they dont give away all-stars for 36y/o slow PG (who should have been waived) and always injured stick figure (who was being shopped like a madman last season) . Dont give me some Nene would have been better trash. I dont want to sit in the lottery for 4 years and while Houston and Spree get 4 years older and pray this foreign kid is any good. Layden made the right move but he should be punished for his previous blunders. He should be punished for not getting woods, getting chenowith, going overboard with Spree,signing eisley for 6mil per year, trading a pick to get harrington (who we didnt need). This is a totally different injury than before, how can u blame a doctor or anybody.

So basically the guy was saying:

Lets get a young foreign player who MIGHT be good in 3 years and lets start being good in 3years when Spree is 35, Houston is 33. If you want to go in that direction you need to completely overhaul the team, which wont happen in NY. NY needs to win soon before their best players get too old. Dyess will probably return if the Knicks are playoff bound. I think the Knicks should try to eek into the playoffs and then have Dyess rejoin the team and see how the team does. Spree will be in his final year of his contract next season. Depending on how well he does we can decide to trade Spree for up and comming talent since some teams want to clear cap or resign Spree.

Another post with absolutely no reason or fact behind it. You know who has been the best player in the NBA in the pre-season so far Dwight Gooden--the 4th pick in the draft yep this isnt summer league. How good was the 4th player in the draft last year? Pau gasol umm I would say having a 20 year old who averaged 20-10 is pretty uremarkable. Who is the Heat Leading scorer this summer Caron Butler pick-10 who dunked the ball over ditkemebe mutumbo twice the other night and had 15 pts 5 rbds abnd a block in 25 mts? that would be pick 9 the 19 year old amere stoudemire the same kid who destroyed kwame brown eddie curry and tyson chandler when he was 17. who is the nuggets high scorer this year nene hilario pick 7 these guys have all been impact players at 19-20 21 years old. And they will only get better.

Players picked from 5-7 from 1995 forget picks 1-4
1995-Kevin Garnett
1996 Ray allen Antoine Walker oh yes pick 13 was Kobe
1997 ron mercer tim thomas 9th pick tracy mcgrady
1998 vince carter jason williams 9th pick dirk nowitski 10 th pick paul pierce
1999 sczerbiak andre miller rip hamilton
2000 mike miller
2001 jason richardson eddie griffin shane battier


The bottom line --the BOTTOM line is Antonio Mcdyess WILL NOT play for the NY Knicks and THEIR VETERANS and all stars that cost 80+MM-dice will win 20+ games this year. the Knicks will miss the playoffs miserably and attendance will be shockingly low and they will have MASSIVE operational losses--business model =BROKEN.

If you follow the Idianan Pacers who had the same amount of success as the Knicks during the 90s they knew when to retool the team completely WITHOUT missing the playoffs. Now they have the most talent in the east-----obviously they have higher intelligent level in the front office /ownership group.Look how Dolan has run CVC into the ground. Little fairies are not dancing at MSG and this is a MASSIVe rebuilding job. Dont count on AM cdyess anymore IF he comes back count him as a guy who will never be considered physically stable again.

Posted by BigSm00th:

Everyone always blamed Layden last offseason for not taking a chance. He took a chance and it blew up in his face. So what, McDyess was playing AWESOME and he got hurt. It was a risk, there is never a 100% chance a trade won't work. If McDyess played the year the Knicks would've made the playoffs. I bet everyone would complain then. Give me a break.

My mAn, you need to wake up!! Majority of the fans did not like this trade base on the facts invovled. McDyess had a bad knee which required surgery twice. You're taking a big chance not knowing if the knee would ever hold up. The knee is a very critical part of the body when it comes to playing sports especially B-ball. WHen you have a guy like Mcdyess constantly jumping for rebounds, your probability of him reinjuring that knee is huge. If he was a spot-up shooter like Danny Manning, the situatuion would've been different. Manning had like 4 to 5 different knee operations but he's a shooter not a inside player like McDyess. It was a bad move for LAYDUM when you'e dealing with injured players. Look it Grant Hill! He broke his ankle in the playoffs but orlando still gave him the contract. Now he's returning 2 yrs later.

Briggs, give it up. You're missing my point badly.

Young guys make highlight reels, not championships or playoff runs, dig?

Did the Grizz get into the playoffs with Gasol? No. End of story. Will they make it this year? It could happen, but odds are it won't. That's just not acceptable in NY.

Summer league? Dunking over Mutumbo in preseason? Irrelevant. These young guys have talent, but vey few of them have basketball knowledge, and they won't for two or three seasons. It will show during the season, too. They'll have a nice play here and there, but for the most part veteran players will take them to school repeatedly. That's fine if you're the Warriors or the Grizz, who are perpetually rebuilding, but not the Knicks.

Yes, once in a long while a guy like Pierce falls to 10, somebody takes a risk, and it pans out (though only after a few rough seasons).

The goal of the NY Knicks is to get to the playoffs, even as an 8th seed, and do it NOW. It is NOT to become a farm club for young talent or get in a position that may or may not pan out in three or four years. It's about betting the odds, and the odds were better on the McDyess deal than on drafting Butler or Wilcox. It was just bad luck McD got hurt.

Layden is not an effective GM, but ANY GM THAT WORKS FOR THE KNICKS WILL HAVE TO KEEP THE TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS TO KEEP HIS JOB. THAT MEANS A MEDIOCRE TEAM THAT MAKES THE PLAYOFFS CONSISTENTLY _OVER_ A YOUNG EXCITING TEAM THAT MAY BE GREAT IN THREE YEARS BUT WON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS OR NEXT YEAR.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Another post with absolutely no reason or fact behind it. You know who has been the best player in the NBA in the pre-season so far Dwight Gooden--the 4th pick in the draft yep this isnt summer league. How good was the 4th player in the draft last year? Pau gasol umm I would say having a 20 year old who averaged 20-10 is pretty uremarkable. Who is the Heat Leading scorer this summer Caron Butler pick-10 who dunked the ball over ditkemebe mutumbo twice the other night and had 15 pts 5 rbds abnd a block in 25 mts? that would be pick 9 the 19 year old amere stoudemire the same kid who destroyed kwame brown eddie curry and tyson chandler when he was 17. who is the nuggets high scorer this year nene hilario pick 7 these guys have all been impact players at 19-20 21 years old. And they will only get better.

Players picked from 5-7 from 1995 forget picks 1-4
1995-Kevin Garnett
1996 Ray allen Antoine Walker oh yes pick 13 was Kobe
1997 ron mercer tim thomas 9th pick tracy mcgrady
1998 vince carter jason williams 9th pick dirk nowitski 10 th pick paul pierce
1999 sczerbiak andre miller rip hamilton
2000 mike miller
2001 jason richardson eddie griffin shane battier


The bottom line --the BOTTOM line is Antonio Mcdyess WILL NOT play for the NY Knicks and THEIR VETERANS and all stars that cost 80+MM-dice will win 20+ games this year. the Knicks will miss the playoffs miserably and attendance will be shockingly low and they will have MASSIVE operational losses--business model =BROKEN.

If you follow the Idianan Pacers who had the same amount of success as the Knicks during the 90s they knew when to retool the team completely WITHOUT missing the playoffs. Now they have the most talent in the east-----obviously they have higher intelligent level in the front office /ownership group.Look how Dolan has run CVC into the ground. Little fairies are not dancing at MSG and this is a MASSIVe rebuilding job. Dont count on AM cdyess anymore IF he comes back count him as a guy who will never be considered physically stable again.

After this incident though, and probably a 20 win season, I think management will be overhauled, (hopefully the Dolan's sell the team too,) and rebuilding will start. There is NO way around it now. Absolutely none. They have nothing to work with, and the only direction this team can go is down.